Comments Thread For: The Top 25 Middleweights of All-Time – The Top Ten

[JAB5239]

Though my list is different and I disagree in some area's, a good list as always by Cliff. The research and time he puts into these lists should be applauded.

Here's my list.

10. LaMotta
9. Flowers
8. Cerdan
7. Burley
6. Ketchel
5. Robinson
4. Hopkins
3. Greb
2. Hagler
1. Monzon

[JAB5239]

I would also have hagler over monzon.

I go back and forth on which one I think deserves the number 1 spot. Today its Monzon. Tomorrow it could be Hagler again.

[them_apples]

honestly this is a terrible list.

Robinson had a great run at MW, but Haglers run at MW was superb. Hopkins was a great run as well.

It's insulting to have Monzon over Hagler though. I think Hopkins should be placed over Monzon as well.

Monzon was good, in the top 10 for sure, but not as high as they placed him.

EDIT: sry jab I just saw your list, I just don't have Monzon above all those guys IMO.

[Suckmedry]

Cliff should make an all time P4P Top 25. Now that would make for some great debate.

[JAB5239]

honestly this is a terrible list.

Robinson had a great run at MW, but Haglers run at MW was superb. Hopkins was a great run as well.

It's insulting to have Monzon over Hagler though. I think Hopkins should be placed over Monzon as well.

Monzon was good, in the top 10 for sure, but not as high as they placed him.

EDIT: sry jab I just saw your list, I just don't have Monzon above all those guys IMO.

Its all good. Why don't you think Monzon deserves to be ranked so highly though? He had a great run and his comp may be slightly better than Marvins. He may not have been exciting, but he was equally as effective.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

183 no decisions & no film footage. I just dont know...

[JAB5239]

183 no decisions & no film footage. I just dont know...

Im assuming you're talking about Greb. If so, 157-12-15 in newspaper decisions is pretty consistent in my opinion, especially when considering much of the competition he faced. No?

[BennyST]

my top 3....

1.Sugar Ray Robinson
2.Harry Greb
3.Carlos Monzon/Hagler or Lamotta

There is no way Greb is ahead of Robinson....just my opinion, and im sure many will agree with me

Why not? Many might agree but many will also disagree. Just being your opinion, why is it so hard to believe that Greb is rated above him? In all reality, he had a better winning record against as good, if not greater, opposition.

[Suckmedry]

183 no decisions & no film footage. I just dont know...

I'm sort of inclined to agree with you TBH.

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Greb does some things here, he rolls under a few shots, but he looks really sloppy at times, check out that pushing right hand to the body at 0:41, wide open.

[BennyST]

honestly this is a terrible list.

Robinson had a great run at MW, but Haglers run at MW was superb. Hopkins was a great run as well.

It's insulting to have Monzon over Hagler though. I think Hopkins should be placed over Monzon as well.

Monzon was good, in the top 10 for sure, but not as high as they placed him.

EDIT: sry jab I just saw your list, I just don't have Monzon above all those guys IMO.

Explain what reasons you have for placing Hagler and Hopkins over Monzon and for this list being terrible? It's a good list with good reasoning behind each and every fighter on it.

God knows how it is insulting to have Monzon over Hagler?

Why? Monzon was truly great and didn't lose a single fight in his last eighty and he fought as good opposition as Hagler. He ruled the division for longer, never lost a fight as champion and while Hagler's greatest wins came against champions from smaller weight classes, Monzon's came against some great and truly underrated middleweight champions in Valdez and Benvenuti, as well as the smaller greats that would equate Hearns and Leonard in Griffith and Napoles.

He went undefeated from '64 until '77 during which time he won the undisputed MW crown in '70 and kept it without a loss until he left for good toward the end of '77 with the great rematch win over Valdez.

Most people forget to mention the great contenders he fought who, without Monzon in their midst or in another era, would have been champions. Tony Mundine was a classic example. Fought everyone and beat greats like Emille Griffith and Denny Moyer, Antonio Aguilar, while also winning the Australian titles from MW to HW, his only shot in his whole career was against Monzon which he lost. He lost an incredibly close decision, some say BS, in Italy (Parlov's fighting hometown) for CW title contention against champion Mate Parlov while he was in the twilight of his career.

Monzon fought many guys like this but people just hear the names of Duran, Leonard (which Hagler lost anyway) and Hearns and immediately think Monzon couldn't have been as good.

Anyway, like this list it's all just opinion but this is good unbiased opinion based on facts.