Comments Thread For: Floyd Mayweather May Think He Will Lose, Says Merchant

[Lorily]

I only talk about boxing, alt. Don't respond to my post until you raise your IQ level. Roger accomplished more in boxing than you ever will in life.

You only talk about boxing... then try to insult my IQ and accomplishments? Great point. Whatever, take it personal. I don't.

[rommel357]

Spot on Larry! This right here is what boggles the mind.

There are several reasons for my view on this. No. 1, what if they found something? Does Mayweather really want the fight to be canceled, given the fact that he believes strongly that he's going to win?

Point is, if Mayweather's camp really believes that Pac is using, then why even bother fighting him in the first place, other than to ruin his legacy and career. Which IMO is pretty low which shouldn't surprise anyone considering it is the Mayweathers after all, nothing but a bunch of low life scumbags. So anyway, if Manny is caught then i guess the fight is cancelled, so there goes the $40 million. So what exactly did Mayweather benefited from this, absolutely nothing.

These quotes from Larry makes you say WTF to Mayweather's camp.

Also, given the certainty of making upwards of $30, or, maybe $40 million, does he really want to find something? You can flip that and say, 'If that's what Pacquiao has used to move up the scale, and Mayweather believes that he's going to win any way and is going to make all of that money, then he ought to be thanking the drug-maker.'

If the drug-maker has delivered this kind of package to Mayweather -- a guy he can beat and a guy that he can make all of this money off of -- then why would he want to screw that up?

If you think that he's been using illegal substances, do you want him called out before the fight and revealed and blow the whole deal? I never got the point of all of this.

[rommel357]

More proof from Larry that what Manny is doing is nothing new or unusual or unprecedented. Special, it is, but not unbelievable.

Throughout boxing history, there have been exceptional fighters, and exceptional elite fighters who have started their careers as teenagers and moved up the scale dramatically over time. Is it exceptional? Absolutely. But Manny Pacquiao is exceptional. But it's not unprecedented.

It's not like there is some mysterious force that is completely unexplainable in a natural way. And I could cite half a dozen guys, particularly going back to Ted 'Kid' Lewis, who weighed 114-to-116 when he started as a teenager, and who weighed 166 near the end of his career when he was fighting the top light heavyweights in the world.

Mickey Walker, who was a welterweight, actually fought to a draw with a future heavyweight champion. There was Henry Armstrong, who started at 120 and wound up fighting middleweights. In the more modern era, there is Roberto Duran, who started as a teen-aged bantamweight and went all the way up to middleweight as a title-holder.

There's Alexis Arguello. Every one of these guys was an extraordinary fighter. I don't know that they knew about steroids in their days. Nobody ever accused those guys of being drugged up. So, to me, it's not without precedent. Oscar De La Hoya once fought at 128, and then, he fought two middleweights in the high 150s.

[rommel357]

An average of 29 lbs that these fighters combined have climbed up to. From as low as 14lbs, to as high as 42lbs.

Others who rose to prominence:

Henry Armstrong: Debuted at 120 pounds, won world titles at 126, 135, 147, drew for middleweight crown.

Alexis Arguello: Won titles at 126, 130, 135 and 140.

Oscar De La Hoya: Debuted at 133, won world titles at 130, 135, 140, 147, 154 and 160.

Roberto Duran: Debuted at 118, won titles at 135, 147, 154, and 160

Tommy Hearns: Debuted at 147, won titles at 147, 154, 160, 168 and 175.

Sugar Ray Leonard: Debuted at 141, won titles at 147, 154, 160, 168

Sugar Ray Robinson: Debuted at 134, won titles at 147, 160, lost 175 title bout to Joey Maxim.

[johncods]

LMAO i have the same thoughts larry has all this time.. If they want this fight so much why do they seem to wan't pac to get caught cheating?? I mean there goes their $40 mill right?? And they keep saying easy fight easy work then why u want it to get cancelled? and why fight them then if u really think he is cheating?? LMAO Mayweathers are boxed in now..

[PAC-BOY]

Larry has tremendous Boxing knowledge and been around the sport for decades. I value and respect his opinion. especially when its dead on!!!

[johncods]

Stop pretending floyd we know u scared.. every knowledgable boxing fan can see thru all this BS..

[KJ]

http://boxing.******.com/2010/01/03/...anny-pacquiao/


The actual article....if anybody cares to read it

Thx.
Reading some posts I understand Larry does not have a big fan base on this forum.

But I love it when this Merchant guy initiates some animosity in the HBO comentary "team". Another positive point I like about the guy is that he has no love for a dancer-tip-tap-points-"fighter". (I know it is an art, but there are special bars for people that want to see (half) naked men dance.)

Some interested points raised:
What if they found something? Does Mayweather really want the fight to be canceled, given the fact that he believes strongly that he's going to win?

Also, given the certainty of making upwards of $30, or, maybe $40 million, does he really want to find something?

[koffiekewl]

THIS IS LONG BUT I RECOMMEND YOU READ FOR YOUR OWN BOXING EDUCATION


LET ME SCHOOL YOU ALL



Mayweathers strategy for this fight will be keep his lead foot on the outside of Pacs lead foot and constantly be moving away from Pac's straight left. Should Pac throw a right hook to move Mayweather in the other direction....Floyd will shoot a straight right followed by a left hook. He will prob do that anyway. That is how you fight a southpaw....str8 right lead followed with left hook. Its also better if u can beat the fighter to the punch. See the Judah fight. Ledermans comments were **** on. "The guy gettin off first is landing the better punches"

Now that is the reason Roach is worried about this fight. Conventionally you should not throw a straight right lead against another orthodox stance fighter. Floyd does it and gets away with it all the time. So if he can use it successfully when "conventional" wisdom says not too.....he sure as **** can use it when the conventional wisdom says YES.


Lets be clear here.....Pacs best chance is in the first 3 rds. A southpaw has an advantage in the first 3 or 4 rds of a fight because they are accustomed to fighting orthodox fighters (right handed), whereas most orthodox guys rarely fight lefties. This is why Mayweather had trouble early on against Judah and Corley...but once he figured them out and adjusted he began to break them down.

The reason Pac has gotten better is because Roach has taught him how to throw that right hook as an offensive weapon in its own right and to set up the straight left. As a southpaw having a right hook will make you a much better fighter. A more complete fighter......for further proof see martinez. He is a good southpaw because he has alot of tools/punches in his repertoire.....ie. see the right hook that floored williams.


I see this fight unravelling only 2 ways:

1. Floyd has trouble with Manny early and maybe gets caught cold and goes down and dosen't make it up OR loses a decision by the time he figures out how to go about his business.

2. Floyd has trouble with Manny early and gets caught a few times...but manages to see everything coming and takes the heat off and is never really in danger. Manny wins 3 of the first 4 rounds. Floyd starts making the necessary adjustements in timing and punches that work.....he keeps moving and poitshotting 1 or 2 shots at a time....frustrating Manny and weating him down to a UD....winning 7 or 8 out of 12 rds. Maybe if he catches Manny with a str8 right to the chin with soime heat an Manny does not see he will put him down in the fight.

Very good assessment , been thinking of that too but Floyd being Floyd, he might come in with a whole new game plan to surprise us all.There is a clear indication his camp knows alot that we casual fans are not aware of and that has always been the case with floyd.His styles varies with almost any fights he goes in.Compare Gatti fight to corralles, then look at the Ndou one and Chavez.Like Roger mayweather keeps saying alot of people dont know Sh....t about boxing, i just get mad when people lets their emotions take over how the sweet science is analysed and talk crap all the time.

[johncods]

Thx.
Reading some posts I understand Larry does not have a big fan base on this forum.

But I love it when this Merchant guy initiates some animosity in the HBO comentary "team". Another positive point I like about the guy is that he has no love for a dancer-tip-tap-points-"fighter". (I know it is an art, but there are special bars for people that want to see (half) naked men dance.)

Some interested points raised:
What if they found something? Does Mayweather really want the fight to be canceled, given the fact that he believes strongly that he's going to win?

Also, given the certainty of making upwards of $30, or, maybe $40 million, does he really want to find something?

this is what i've always been asking and is further proof that they really dont want none of pac..