Floyd Mayweather vs. Ray Robinson.

[intoccabile]

Resemblence from Shane mimicking his physical but it stops there.

Which is pretty much what I said bro. The similarities are there, from punch selection, to stance, to movement.. but there's so much more that makes a fighter. Can Shane handle adversity like Ray could? Can he adjust to speed, pressure, or power like Ray could? The list goes on. and the same question goes to Floyd.. how would he like a Jab as long as Hearns, or a guy who could **** you out if he wanted to or box from the outside with the best of them in Leonard (with flurry galore).

It's the mental aspect that separates the two.. and it's like that with most fighters. Most fighters have the style to beat many of the men they lose to. Cotto for example, stylistically when he fought the fight he fought, was all wrong for Margi. But he lacked several things needed to win the fight (a clinch being the main one LOL).

In any event.. without picking a verdict, I pick the following men to give floyd hell from 135 to 154

Ray Robinson (I don't want to go that far back, but since the threat is about him)
Aaron Pryor
Meldrick Taylor
Tommy Hearns
Ray Leonard
Wilfredo Benitez
Zab Judah (140)
Shane Mosley (135)
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Paul Williams
Winky Wright
Verno Forrest

and Possibly even Chavez, only beause him and Hatton resemble
so much minus the wrestling. Not saying Floyd had a issue with hatton,
just think chavez was a few steps ahead of hatton so could actually pose
some sort of problem in comparison. Assuming floyd fought the same fight
he did with hatton. (Flat footed that night, a lot of infighting)

[IronFistKilla]

Leonard stopped him because he was a huge WW with incredible power there too and fought aggressive because he couldn't out-box Hearns.

There is a difference between knowing how to clinch when hurt and fighting on the inside. The two don't equal the one thing. Also, Leonard is a very different fighter from Mayweather. He was an aggressive boxer/puncher. Mayweather is a defensive counter puncher.

If you haven't seen Hearns fight on the inside the you need to see more of him because he was sure as hell a good inside fighter. Hearns/Mayweather would look more like Benitez/Hearns than Leonard/Hearns.

Just remember: Leonard was able to stop Hearns not because of smarts, skill, jab, defense, speed, countering or any of that stuff. He was able to stop him because the only way to do so was to straight up brawl with him. Get as close as possible and simply out-**** him.

Like it or not, Mayweather simply doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns at 147. You've obviously watched Mayweather a lot and you should know that he is absolutely hittable. He has a great chin though when he needs to and never shows it when he does get hit. If Hearns connected, Hearns would stop Mayweather or at least hurt him/knock him down and Hearns could and would connect throughout a whole fight between them.

Also, trying to time a jab like Hearns is difficult when you are much shorter with a lesser reach and the same speed. Hearns doesn't walk in like Corrales. He would fight from the outside using all his height, and a jab that puts Oscar's to shame in speed and power.

Mayweather could beat a lot of guys and lots of styles, but this is one that I don't think he could win at all. Like you said though, this is all just opinion.

1.) True that. I'll rewatch the Hearns/Benitez tonight. Recommend any others?

I don't know man, while Floyd is not the boxer puncher like Leonard, Leonard is not also the intelligent fighter like Floyd.

I agree with the power assesment.

[TheGreatA]

Good point, he can't do both at the same time. I'm still drawing a blank of a fight where Hearns fought on the inside. Floyd has great inside defense with underrated body work. Hearns needed range to punch.

Hearns only fought on the inside when he was forced to by physically stronger fighters. He did it against Barkley in their second fight when Hearns had lost his legs and could only fight off the ropes and he ended up losing a split decision to Barkley who threw over 1000+ punches in the fight.

It would be rather silly for Hearns to give away his reach in order to fight on the inside which is why you rarely saw him do it until he got old.

I just don't see how Floyd will turn it into an inside fight. It's not like he can wait as he could against Hatton, Castillo, Corrales. He'll also be cautious enough about Hearns's power not to walk straight into him in an aggressive stance (Judah, Corley). Basically I don't see what he can do against Hearns.

Saying he'll just turn it into an inside fight seems to be wishful thinking.

[PensionKiller]

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc....

Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite.

BUT.........

Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once.

Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance.

He would tie up Hearns and **** him inside.

Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times....

I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming.

I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him.

Floyd at 130 was too small. Floyd at 147 has no chance in hell of dropping hearns

[Go Blue]

Hearns only fought on the inside when he was forced to by physically stronger fighters. He did it against Barkley in their second fight when Hearns had lost his legs and could only fight off the ropes and he ended up losing a split decision to Barkley who threw over 1000+ punches in the fight.

It would be rather silly for Hearns to give away his reach in order to fight on the inside which is why you rarely saw him do it until he got old.

I just don't see how Floyd will turn it into an inside fight. It's not like he can wait as he could against Hatton, Castillo, Corrales. He'll also be cautious enough about Hearns's power not to walk straight into him in an aggressive stance (Judah, Corley). Basically I don't see what he can do against Hearns.

Saying he'll just turn it into an inside fight seems to be wishful thinking.

Ey can you give your thoughts in the "fastest fighter" thread...I bumped for you....

[Allucard]

I think it would be a very close fight that Hearns could edge. But floyd has the total package. Hearns couldn't fight on the inside and didn't know how to tie up (like most Stewart fighters). Hearns needed range.

at 130-135 i think no one would beat Floyd. It's boxing, anything can happen but the 130-135 Floyd was a beast.

[iskucha03]

why floyd is fighting no one but winning? 100- 0 record hahahaha

[IronFistKilla]

why floyd is fighting no one but winning? 100- 0 record hahahaha

Uh oh! What time is it on the West Coast or Phillipines? They're waking up. This thread is about to go to ****. Man your battle stations!!!

[Amazinger]

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc....

Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite.

BUT.........

Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once.

Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance.

He would tie up Hearns and **** him inside.

Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times....

I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming.

I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him.

Hearns only need to land two or three punches and it will be goodnight for Mayweather.....
Mind you Hearns will use his long left arm like a stick to keep Mayweather in line and within Hearns range but not Mayweathers.


Paul Williams and Hearns would be interesting match up huh.

[boxing77]

These fighters were to big for floyd,delahoya would have beat him if he wouldnt have stopped boxing and tried to knock him out and delahoya was on his way out so yes defenitly 135 great 147 and up nop!!!!!!!