Floyd Mayweather vs. Ray Robinson.

[IronFistKilla]

So essentially you see Mayweather fighting as the aggressor against Hearns? I'm not so sure if it's a very good idea to leave yourself more open against a puncher like Hearns. And Floyd does get hit while he's pressuring.

On the other hand if he were to fight defensively, Hearns would just jab him and outpoint him as he did against Wilfred Benitez.

No, not at all. That would be very bad and 1 punch could end his night. Still fight the defensive counter puncher style. You can't be Floyd with 1 weapon (at least we haven't seen it yet). The jab is not enough to beat floyd. Floyd will adapt, time Hearns jab, counter punch, attack the body.

[TheGreatA]

See that's what's funny. How was Leonard able to stop Hearns? The first six rounds he used movement and the jab to belly. I also don't recall a fight where Hearns fought in the pocket. When Leonard had him hurt he did not know how to clinch or hold on. Not to sure is Hearns was all that fast either

I think Floyd would use a similar strategy and make him miss a lot, then counter.


On a side note, kudos to all the posters in this thread. Threads like this are few and far in between these days. No gayweather, chicken duck floyd, pak-yow,etc. Just boxing talk. Why the difference? Oh I know, the *******s haven't got out of bed yet.

Would Floyd Mayweather rally in the 14th round of a fight he was losing after suffering a detached retina as Leonard did? I've never seen him do that so it's difficult to say.

Mosley is similar to Robinson only to an extent. I've never seen Mosley exhibit the kind of boxing skill that Robinson does. Now Robinson wasn't against using his physical advantages to dominate his opposition (like Mosley) but he could also outbox the best boxers of his time (unlike Mosley).

Robinson was much more aggressive than Floyd, he looked to create opportunities rather than wait for them.

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[TheGreatA]

No, not at all. That would be very bad and 1 punch could end his night. Still fight the defensive counter puncher style. You can't be Floyd with 1 weapon (at least we haven't seen it yet). The jab is not enough to beat floyd. Floyd will adapt, time Hearns jab, counter punch, attack the body.

It's not like Hearns has a jab only. Obviously he has a right too but what is overlooked is his great left hook to the body. You start crouching down to slip his right and he'll go downstairs with a left hook.

How is Mayweather going to fight on the inside if he'll fight defensively? He is giving away 6 inches in height and even more in reach. Hearns was not one to give away his height and reach advantages either, unlike Corrales or Paul Williams.

[IronFistKilla]

Would Floyd Mayweather rally in the 14th round of a fight he was losing after suffering a detached retina as Leonard did? I've never seen him do that so it's difficult to say.

Mosley is similar to Robinson only to an extent. I've never seen Mosley exhibit the kind of boxing skill that Robinson does. Now Robinson wasn't against using his physical advantages to dominate his opposition (like Mosley) but he could also outbox the best boxers of his time (unlike Mosley).

Robinson was much more aggressive than Floyd, he looked to create opportunities rather than wait for them.

People question Floyd's heart but I don't doubt it. Floyd has never been behind in a fight. The only close fight he had with Castillo 1 he rallied and did what he had to do to win...and rematched 6 months later to erase all doubt. That's heart man. We've never seen Floyd hurt, cut, or bruised. All I know is he likes to win. We haven't seen the best Floyd Mayweather and Manny may bring that out of him. Bring the dog out of Mayweather....to his (manny's) demise.

[Go Blue]

It's not like Hearns has a jab only. Obviously he has a right too but what is overlooked is his great left hook to the body. You start crouching down to slip his right and he'll go downstairs with a left hook.

How is Mayweather going to fight on the inside if he'll fight defensively? He is giving away 6 inches in height and even more in reach. Hearns was not one to give away his height and reach advantages either, unlike Corrales or Paul Williams.

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Im about to bump a thread just for you.

[TheGreatA]

People question Floyd's heart but I don't doubt it. Floyd has never been behind in a fight. The only close fight he had with Castillo 1 he rallied and did what he had to do to win...and rematched 6 months later to erase all doubt. That's heart man. We've never seen Floyd hurt, cut, or bruised. All I know is he likes to win. We haven't seen the best Floyd Mayweather and Manny may bring that out of him. Bring the dog out of Mayweather....to his (manny's) demise.

Thus why I'm not so sure if I'll buy Mayweather doing a Ray Leonard on Hearns. He has never proven he can do that, he has never been tested in that way.

Of course he's not even a natural welterweight with welterweights power like Leonard. He can knock out a Ricky Hatton, maybe even a Pacquiao, aggressive fighters who'll look for him, but I can't see him hunting down a Thomas Hearns and stopping him. It's not what he does. Leonard proved he could do that even at super middleweight against a Donny Lalonde (decent title holder at LHW).

I think Castillo wiped out most of the late rounds. Mayweather taking the early rounds seemed to win the fight for him although there's obviously controversy about that. And Hearns is not Jose Luis Castillo.

[IronFistKilla]

It's not like Hearns has a jab only. Obviously he has a right too but what is overlooked is his great left hook to the body. You start crouching down to slip his right and he'll go downstairs with a left hook.

How is Mayweather going to fight on the inside if he'll fight defensively? He is giving away 6 inches in height and even more in reach. Hearns was not one to give away his height and reach advantages either, unlike Corrales or Paul Williams.

Good point, he can't do both at the same time. I'm still drawing a blank of a fight where Hearns fought on the inside. Floyd has great inside defense with underrated body work. Hearns needed range to punch.

[BennyST]

See that's what's funny. How was Leonard able to stop Hearns? The first six rounds he used movement and the jab to belly. I also don't recall a fight where Hearns fought in the pocket. When Leonard had him hurt he did not know how to clinch or hold on. Not to sure is Hearns was all that fast either

I think Floyd would use a similar strategy and make him miss a lot, then counter.


On a side note, kudos to all the posters in this thread. Threads like this are few and far in between these days. No gayweather, chicken duck floyd, pak-yow,etc. Just boxing talk. Why the difference? Oh I know, the *******s haven't got out of bed yet.

Leonard stopped him because he was a huge WW with incredible power there too and fought aggressive because he couldn't out-box Hearns.

There is a difference between knowing how to clinch when hurt and fighting on the inside. The two don't equal the one thing. Also, Leonard is a very different fighter from Mayweather. He was an aggressive boxer/puncher. Mayweather is a defensive counter puncher.

If you haven't seen Hearns fight on the inside the you need to see more of him because he was sure as hell a good inside fighter. Hearns/Mayweather would look more like Benitez/Hearns than Leonard/Hearns.

Just remember: Leonard was able to stop Hearns not because of smarts, skill, jab, defense, speed, countering or any of that stuff. He was able to stop him because the only way to do so was to straight up brawl with him. Get as close as possible and simply out-**** him.

Like it or not, Mayweather simply doesn't have the power to hurt Hearns at 147. You've obviously watched Mayweather a lot and you should know that he is absolutely hittable. He has a great chin though when he needs to and never shows it when he does get hit. If Hearns connected, Hearns would stop Mayweather or at least hurt him/knock him down and Hearns could and would connect throughout a whole fight between them.

Also, trying to time a jab like Hearns is difficult when you are much shorter with a lesser reach and the same speed. Hearns doesn't walk in like Corrales. He would fight from the outside using all his height, and a jab that puts Oscar's to shame in speed and power. If you think Mayweather just gets inside and works him over inside, how do you propose he does? Hearns wasn't exactly a stationary target at WW. He had brilliant, quick footwork and used a lot of the ring. He could simply push off on Mayweather being so much taller as Mayweather gets inside.

Also, on the point of inside fighting. Hearns was a master of waiting inside before shoving off with his shoulders to create openings for his brilliant left hook and uppercuts inside. He is hugely overlooked as an inside fighter as evidenced here by people think he couldn't fight on the inside.

Mayweather could beat a lot of guys and lots of styles, but this is one that I don't think he could win at all. Like you said though, this is all just opinion.

[IronFistKilla]

Thus why I'm not so sure if I'll buy Mayweather doing a Ray Leonard on Hearns. He has never proven he can do that, he has never been tested in that way.

Of course he's not even a natural welterweight with welterweights power like Leonard. He can knock out a Ricky Hatton, maybe even a Pacquiao, aggressive fighters who'll look for him, but I can't see him hunting down a Thomas Hearns and stopping him. It's not what he does. Leonard proved he could do that even at super middleweight against a Donny Lalonde (decent title holder at LHW).

I think Castillo wiped out most of the late rounds. Mayweather taking the early rounds seemed to win the fight for him although there's obviously controversy about that. And Hearns is not Jose Luis Castillo.

Definitely not hunt him down. Floyd uses people's agression against them. I don't think Floyd stops Hearns, just works him over on the inside.