Floyd Mayweather vs. Ray Robinson.

[IronFistKilla]

Hearns only fought on the inside when he was forced to by physically stronger fighters. He did it against Barkley in their second fight when Hearns had lost his legs and could only fight off the ropes and he ended up losing a split decision to Barkley who threw over 1000+ punches in the fight.

It would be rather silly for Hearns to give away his reach in order to fight on the inside which is why you rarely saw him do it until he got old.

I just don't see how Floyd will turn it into an inside fight. It's not like he can wait as he could against Hatton, Castillo, Corrales. He'll also be cautious enough about Hearns's power not to walk straight into him in an aggressive stance (Judah, Corley). Basically I don't see what he can do against Hearns.

Saying he'll just turn it into an inside fight seems to be wishful thinking.

I'll watch some Hearns fights tonight and re analyze.

[BillyBoxing]

I been saying Floyd would give Robinson HELL for years now.

Robinson was to easy to hit.

The only guy that beats Floyd is Whitaker.

A lot of guys are going to come in here and cokk sukk robinson..without realizing he had plenty of flaws....like leaning in, and he was off balance alot.

He threw alot of wide shots and like I said was very easy to hit.

He had a great chin.

I don't know if Robinson would be that dominant in our era,because,he especially fought a style of fighter,short sluggers.
It's not because Robinson has the greatest record,that he would have beat Hearns or Leonard,because Hearns and Leonard ain't no LaMotta,Basilio,Fullmer or Turpin.


We can say what we want about this actual era,but there are every styles of fighters in our days.
Tricky southpaws,defensive wizzards,stalkers,90% ko ratio punchers,sluggers,100 punches per round punching machin.

All I know is Robinson speed and power package was crazy,and Floyd never fought a fast puncher freak like Robinson.
Guys like Jake L. had iron chins and they all get floored.

So you CAN'T say,Floyd beat Robinson all day.

I think Hearns,Leonard beat Floyd.Hearns had a suspect jaw,but Floyd can't really hurt him.

If Floyd was fightin Duran,I would worry for Floyd.
Withtaker beat Floyd as well,
Winky too.

Pryor and Arguello could have.

Don't count Chavez out,the emperor ain't no Castillo.He's the same style but 3 times better.

A fast confident prime Oscar(the one who outboxed Tito and ruined Chavez,not the one who get beat by sturm and quitted against a midget) could have beat Floyd as well.

I always said a game Forrest maybe upsets him because of his style and size.

Margacheato is a tool,but he's so big and tough,he's Floyd nightmare.
Can you imagine Floyd rolling shoulder in the ropes with giant welter Margo throwin from differents angles 100 punches per round and comin forward all the fight??
Floyd could have not hurt cheato and his iron jaw.

Willie Pep could have outbox a 130 Floyd as well or at least make him look like a ******.
Sanders would have been ducked by Floyd.

The list is long.

[TheGreatA]

I see some similarities between Kid Gavilan and Ray Leonard though and Robinson beat Gavilan decisively in their second fight.



He didn't just fight "short sluggers". Unfortunately his fights against the likes of Gavilan, George Costner, Jackie Wilson, Jose Basora were never captured on film.

I struggle to see what advantages Leonard has over Robinson. Hearns does have the jab, the reach, the punching power but I see Robinson catching up to him late much like Leonard did.

[talip bin osman]

Robinson can beat PBF by decision, but not by KO or TKO.

hav u seen small JMM landing flush on PBF's jaw?

u think ray when he was the one landing those, PBF would've stayed erect? @ 147?

[[ DUBBZZ ]]

Floyd's got more skills, but SRR is just too big. SRR by KO.

[Ascended]

only crazy idiots who never watched full matches picked Ray on all sites he looks like.Louis really stiff basic and slow would be destroyed floyd fought people way more advanced then him as early as his first 2 matches

[Ascended]

robinson by ko

I argee he would be koed way to outdated looks like a novice

[megas30]

See I agree with you here. Vernon that fought Mosely beats any version of Floyd. I think he was a more complete boxer than Hearns.

Mosley is not as technical as Floyd. Mosley allowed Vernon to measure him by holding his jab out. Mosley couldn't adjust to save his life. Floyd is one of the best at adjusting. He would zap Forest's energy with those jabs to the body he normally used to fold taller fighters.

[elfag]

Well you prolly dont know but I met Tommy Hearns several times, interviewed him when I was in highschool, etc....

Im from detroit, MI....Tommy is my ALL-TIME Favorite.

BUT.........

Against Mayweather Tommy would have to come up with a plan B...When he realizes that his best punch..."the right hand".....hasnt landed Flush once.

Floyd would potshot Tommy....and Play it safe at times then he would be thisclose to him making him miss...Tommy needed distance.

He would tie up Hearns and **** him inside.

Tommy had a great Jab.....and it would snap Floyds head back at times....

I dont think Floyd hit HARD enought to just drop Tommy with one shot...but he is fast and accurate enough to put Tommy to sleep with a punch he doesnt see coming.

I love Tommy man I really do...Floyd was to smart for him.

Theres two strategies to beat floyd, a swarmer style and a boxer style, those were all his closest fights. The swarmers castillo and maidana got the closest. cant be sloppy though and have to have some odd angles to get around him. maidana did a lot of smart things, kept his feet wide when floyd was on the ropes to trap him there and threw odd overhand looping shots that went around floyd's guard.

The boxers, the all won a few rounds at most with the jab but floyd always adapted to them. DLH, Judah, Cotto, all won some rounds with a jab. But it wasnt enough. Floyd did some great work with Cotto, he was using his wide looping right hand and upper cuts to get around cottos tight guard, those are punches he rarely or never threw before just all of a sudden had them ready for cotto.

Hearns was very quick and a very good jab, he was up on points outboxing SRL, he definately fits into style 2 and floyd will have to be very cautious of the right hand, he will win more than a few rounds at least. Winky would have won some rounds against floyd too. I think he would be too predictable though and Floyd would find a way around his guard. His guard is crazy good though, his forearms are abnormally long allowing him to guard his face and body really well at the same time.

[elfag]

Mosley is not as technical as Floyd. Mosley allowed Vernon to measure him by holding his jab out. Mosley couldn't adjust to save his life. Floyd is one of the best at adjusting. He would zap Forest's energy with those jabs to the body he normally used to fold taller fighters.

Floyd vs cotto like i said above was one of his most impressive adjustments, he was using all these uppercuts and wide looping shots around the guard and he never (or super rarely) threw those shots before. His reflects were crazy for his age too, he was slipping Cottos uppercuts on the inside and if you watch it in slow motion he pulls his head back as soon as he sees cottos arm dip below to throw the uppercut. If you watch any of his defense highlights really he is always starting his slip before they actually throw and just predicting it based on their relative body positions which leaves his opponent with a pretty predictable shot of what they are about to throw.