Pacmans physique....How do you gain weight yet get more shredded?

[ELPacman]

So, tell us how you did it and solve the mystery for everybody. Or better yet, don't tell us and put together some workout package that we can all go out and buy (you can call it the pacquiao workout, if you get his permission). Talk is cheap. That is the essence of Pacquiao's problem- talk. Everybody does it, and because everybody does it, it's not as credible as hard evidence.

So, put up or shut up. Let's see what you are about. Go ahead...I, and the rest of us that aspire to your physical greatness, are waiting.

ROFL, can I answer that one? It's called dieting and exercise. Hahahahahh. Something I bet 80% of this board does not do and are the 100% roid accusers.

[Killa_Kali]

Sam has already debunked that fallacy, Burner.

2006 | 129 | Morales III | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 15 lbs
2007 | 130 | Barrera II | Ring Weight: 144 | Rehydration: 14lbs
2008 | 129 | Marquez II | Ring Weight: 145 | Rehydration: 16lbs
2008 | 134½ | Diaz | Ring Weight: 147 | Rehydration: 12½ lbs
2008 | 142 | De La Hoya | Ring Weight: 148.5 | Rehydration: 6½ lbs
2009 | 138 | Hatton | Ring Weight: 148 | Rehydration: 10 lbs
2009 | 144 | Cotto | Ring Weight: 149 | Rehydration: 5 lbs

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.

The real difference is nowadays he isn't cutting so much weight. For the second Marquez fight, for example, Pacquiao would be cutting around 20 pounds (possibly more) from his walk-around weight. Less starvation appears to make Pacquiao a much better fighter. Is this abnormal? Personally, I don't think it's any cause for concern.

[Gutz]

*****s dont understand this.

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.



OMG 5lbs.. PED .. PED.. duh duh.. HGH.. steroids.. duh duh.. no one can do that...!!!

[renren40]

So, tell us how you did it and solve the mystery for everybody. Or better yet, don't tell us and put together some workout package that we can all go out and buy (you can call it the pacquiao workout, if you get his permission). Talk is cheap. That is the essence of Pacquiao's problem- talk. Everybody does it, and because everybody does it, it's not as credible as hard evidence.

So, put up or shut up. Let's see what you are about. Go ahead...I, and the rest of us that aspire to your physical greatness, are waiting.

its called hard work man ..
getting your ass up on your days off, skipping the coffee for some water, throwing a middle finger at the couch, grabbing your ipod, go outside and run till you hate yourself or vomit, sprint some more, learning to love it, topping it off with some abwork ....

then maybe i will let myself have 4 eggs instead of three...
no salt no pepper just straight up protein and water ... and grits

rest ... and whatever muscle i wanna pump up i pump up ... never repeating the previous day's workout ... after a mucular workout is when i eat big...
rice, chicken and vegetables... thats it man

u wanna workout with me?

im 150 i bench 250
im lack some squat power though

[hammertorch]

*****s dont understand this.

144-149 = 5 lbs difference in three years.



OMG 5lbs.. PED .. PED.. duh duh.. HGH.. steroids.. duh duh.. no one can do that...!!!

That is right... it all started because of the crackhead Sr.
I think these *****s believe the crackhead Sr. more than the NSAC med experts...

[Manuel6]

ROFL, can I answer that one? It's called dieting and exercise. Hahahahahh. Something I bet 80% of this board does not do and are the 100% roid accusers.

It's exactly because I diet and exercise that I know it's not easy. People who train (not workout casually) with weights know that it's damn hard. It's hard to do balls to the wall squats, deadlifts, etc. and do anything, much less train for a sport. You might squat one day and have your legs fried to the point were you can't walk for days. How in the hell do your run and spar after that. You can barely hold yourself up. Most athletes that bulk naturally do it in the off season. Nobody gets bigger during the season. It's unheard of. Pacquiao does not possess the type of overall physique development that suggests he's even remotely serious about weightlifting. Holyfield did, and we all know what emerged about him.

Pacquiao is surely a special athlete. Nobody doubts that. He has some gifts that other people do not possess-no argument here. But will all of his gifts he cannot re-write the laws of natural human muscular anabolism. If he knows how, he should tell the rest of us and stop with this nonsense.

[PensionKiller]

You can see the striations on his core muscles at 144. Not the outline of the musculature his abs (the "six pack), the actual strips of muscles that comprise his core.... You have to be very, very, lean to see that. How in the world did he ever diet down to 130 looking like that already at 144-150...it's unfathomable. He has to be at no more than 6-7% body fat at 144. It would be almost impossible for a man of his level of leaness to get any leaner and lose 14 (think about it, 14!) pounds in the process. He would be a corpse. It the Cotto weigh in that made believe that something was not right. In all of my years, I'm 32, of powerlifting, olympic lifting, and weight lifting I have never seen a natural weightlifter (somebody who actually dedicates a considerable amount of time to physical culture) gain considerable amount of muscular weight while also reducing or maintaining fat levels. It just doesn't happen that way. And if it does, it takes years. Not one year...years of training.

Look at photos of some of the 40's and 50's bodybuilders before steroids took over, and you'll see what I mean. They were big, but not freakishly big. They were lean, but not freakishly lean. And they definitely were not freakishly lean while putting on 10-15 pounds. I'm sorry, the photos and numbers don't add up., at least to me.

Pacquaio had a lot of trouble to make weight. He lost to morales for being weight drained. He then suffered at 130 against a JMM rematch. He is not actually mroe shreaded at 145 than at the lower weights.

Think 130 vs valsquez



Against Diaz at 135



Against Hatton at 140lbs (Think he was 138)



144 lbs against Cotto:




To me he has gotten bigger. Not in how toned he is, but a lot bulkier. His face has more water weight and I can see less of his bones and more chin

[fcastro1]

Diet and Exercise can you make look like this?

because his fighting weight has only changed by 4 pounds since 130.

[Manuel6]

its called hard work man ..
getting your ass up on your days off, skipping the coffee for some water, throwing a middle finger at the couch, grabbing your ipod, go outside and run till you hate yourself or vomit, sprint some more, learning to love it, topping it off with some abwork ....

then maybe i will let myself have 4 eggs instead of three...
no salt no pepper just straight up protein and water ... and grits

rest ... and whatever muscle i wanna pump up i pump up ... never repeating the previous day's workout ... after a mucular workout is when i eat big...
rice, chicken and vegetables... thats it man

u wanna workout with me?

im 150 i bench 250

im lack some squat power though

I admire your honesty. And if you box, a 250 bench at 150 is damn good. But ask yourself this...What would it take to get to 160-165 and be in the same condition that you are in now. Come on...be honest with yourself. You can reach 165, especially if you stop running so much and get serious about squatting, but my friend chances are you would have to sacrifice a few of those line that you stare at every day in the mirror-if you are natural...that's just the way it works. Not to mention it would take quiet a long time to there without becoming a total fat ass. It sucks. Natural bodybuilding and conditioning is hard, brutal work.

90% of the people at your local gym will look and have the same level of conditioning this year to next not because they lack desire, but because they lack a sufficient pain tolerance. They just can't hang, they don't train or diet hard enough.... I just want to know how he did it. How does he put on so much lean weight and continue to train as a boxer.

[renren40]

It's exactly because I diet and exercise that I know it's not easy. People who train (not workout casually) with weights know that it's damn hard. It's hard to do balls to the wall squats, deadlifts, etc. and do anything, much less train for a sport. You might squat one day and have your legs fried to the point were you can't walk for days. How in the hell do your run and spar after that. You can barely hold yourself up. Most athletes that bulk naturally do it in the off season. Nobody gets bigger during the season. It's unheard of. Pacquiao does not possess the type of overall physique development that suggests he's even remotely serious about weightlifting. Holyfield did, and we all know what emerged about him.

Pacquiao is surely a special athlete. Nobody doubts that. He has some gifts that other people do not possess-no argument here. But will all of his gifts he cannot re-write the laws of natural human muscular anabolism. If he knows how, he should tell the rest of us and stop with this nonsense.

dude ... weights is good to an extent... look man u prolly workout hard....
but seriously if you aint learning ur dying...

combine strength training, cardio, and sports agility in the daily routine ... thats it .... and no cheetos man