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I made this thread with the list of what Froch will have done assuming he beats Kessler and I had a hard time getting ppl to admit that they would have to stop saying he is not good after he beats Kessler in addition to what he has done before that.
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Both Kessler and Froch have power, I'm not sure which one hits harder, but there's not a huge gap in that area like you're making out.
Kessler hasn't been down, but it's not as if his chin has been seriously tested. Besides, a good chin and toughness don't always go together. Arturo Gatti was incredibly tough, but didn't have a great chin.
I don't think triangle theory based upon fantasy fight results is relevant...the issue is whether or not Froch is tougher than Kessler and has a stronger will, not any of that other stuff. As for the Pascal fight you mention, the fact that Froch was able to out-tough a guy who just won a world title fight with a dislocated shoulder is a positive, not a negative.
If Kessler can keep composed and box and move behind his jab and occassional right hand, he'll win a one-sided decision and it'll look similar to his fight with Andrade. But if Froch can get him out of his rhythm and turn it into a brawl, then I'd expect Kessler to get that same 'I'm not sure what to do' expression on his face, wilt under the pressure and then get knocked out.
If Froch gets cut or knocked down, it won't affect his confidence. If Kessler gets cut or knocked down, then he will probably have major doubts instantly.
The bookies have Kessler as a very slight favourite, which is how I'd have it as well. Kessler is a better fighter overall, but IMO his biggest weakness and Froch's biggest strength is in the same area. There's also the fact that Kessler has not had an impressive performance for almost 3 years.Comment
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The triangle theory here is being used because I believe that Froch's mental game and heart will be tested when he is losing. This is not about winning but about the styles. Foch needs people to engage to win, or in Dirrell's case, have a close fight but win on the cards.
I didn't make out Froch was weak. I said he has not got great power. I would agree both have the same.
Kessler is damn tough. His eye was cut up and he still tried and tried. His chin is tough aswell. Don't get me wrong, Froch is a tough guy, but only because he hasn't faced someone that has raw KO power or a really good guy. Taylor is done, Pascal is still not great, and Dirrel is green.
The Pascal fight was great to watch, but Pascal is not a top boxer nor fighter. Froch is a great slugger, but against anyone who boxes or implements a good game plan, then they should win. A focused Taylor was doing very well, until the last 2 rounds. Taylor was terrible against Abraham and not winning much and he didn't do great VS Pavlik either. I don't know much about Dirrell, but felt he lost the fight rather than Froch Won it if you know what I mean.
Kessler had a cut and still tried. He hasn't been knocked down, but I doubt he will every give up.
Froch hasn't had a cut as far as I remember, but his style is to always go froward. He has no other effective way to fight.
As stated before, Froch has nothing over Kessler IMO. Some may be equal, but nothing over him.
Speed - Kessler
Power - Equal
Defence - Kessler
Technique - Kessler
Footwork - Kessler
Heart - Equal
Toughness - Equal
Chin - Equal if not KesslerComment
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I gotta be honest dude, that for someone who writes and writes and goes to the last degree to explain their position...
... its a load of crap what you write !
Frank Bruno could hit harder than Mike Tyson, don't mean he was a killing machine.
I think Froch will win and I wont write an essay - it's just that he is a warrior.
Kessler KNOWS how to lose now.
Ward is greener than Dirrell (who you state is green), yet he exposed him.
If Kessler fought Pascal or Taylor he would lose.Comment
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Frank was a musle bound guy. Muscles don't mean punching power. Get that fact straight now. The worlds strongest man from poland use to box, but he said he hated getting hit.
Frank is a good boxer, but his chin wasn't great. That's what let him lose to Lewis and Tyson.
Plus Tyson is a beast anyway. His speed was very good and speed creates power in punching. Don't let 5 feet 11 fool you, he was damn big.
Froch is a warrior, but name be a area that Froch is better than Kessler. If you come up with something that I missed, then OK, I'll agree.
My opinion is, Kessler beats Taylor and Pascal. Kessler does not like people who fight on the back foot, but anyone who is willing to engage a little will have a hard time.
Taylor was done by Pavlik twice, whom I do nto feel is better than Kessler at 168.
I do agree that Ward is green too, but he has good fundamentals and won a gold at the olympics.
Put your points on the line then and tell me where Froch is better than Kessler. A warrior does not always win fights but Kessler is one also. Froch even said he likes Kessler because of the style. They will have a good tear upLast edited by PensionKiller; 12-28-2009, 10:54 AM.Comment
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It's the way Froch carries himself that gets most peoples backs up. He's just not as good as Froch thinks he is. Sorry.
I can't take anything away from Froch's last 3 fights but Froch thinks he was flawless in those fights which he quiet clearly wasn't.
It's annoying.Last edited by Chunk..; 12-28-2009, 11:03 AM.Comment
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At the time, I thought Calzaghe was wise not to fight Froch but now when there is people who really think that Froch is good I'm kinda sad that Joe didn't beat the **** out of him.
Kessler hasn't looked good in his last two fights, if he isn't what he once was Froch might beat him. The Kessler that fought Joe would destroy him though.Comment
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This is how I see it, I really cant see Froch winning this one to be honest, hes been knocked down before by lesser punchers, he was wobbled by Dirrell. His chin isnt as great as everyone thinks it is, dont get me wrong, Froch is tough as hell, he can take punishment for 15, 20 rounds and still keep going like nothing has happened but if he takes a big big shot (which I believe Kessler can produce considering Frochs very poor defence) he will go down.
It should be a good fight though, Froch has alot of heart and is still as confident as ever and he'll be looking to trade (at least until Kessler catches him hard). Kessler will feel he has something to prove after his last fight and will (hopefully) be looking for a big win, I wonder about his heart though, he looked like he didnt want to carry on against ward and I got the feeling he had just about given up on the fight in the late rounds.Comment
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