Timeline: Here you see that Pacquiao and his team caused all this controversy.

[Cash Cow]

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

Alex Ariza: He’s willing to give the blood tests – just not two or three days before, for understable reasons.


David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.






So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are downgrading blood testing in general.

DAMN DS....this thread is an ATG on NSB!!

[Eaner0919]

I always felt the timeline would speak for itself. What's so funny that in all this both Floyd and Manny say very very little for theirselves. GBP and Mayweather's side for the most part counterpoint throughout the sequence of events

now Top Rank are the ones who went on the offensive but somewhere down the line forgot to tell everyone to be on the same page. Thus it made Manny look like a liar or that he is hiding something

even if Manny hasn't been doing PEDs the perception out there is that he is doing something that is very in the wrong

good post DS I would give you green but it says I cant

[Cash Cow]

I always felt the timeline would speak for itself. What's so funny that in all this both Floyd and Manny say very very little for theirselves. GBP and Mayweather's side for the most part counterpoint throughout the sequence of events

now Top Rank are the ones who went on the offensive but somewhere down the line forgot to tell everyone to be on the same page. Thus it made Manny look like a liar or that he is hiding something

even if Manny hasn't been doing PEDs the perception out there is that he is doing something that is very in the wrong

good post DS I would give you green but it says I cant

funny stuff right?

[dibzvincent143]

nice facts. but can u show us what the weathers said too?
with date also.

like feb 24.

Floyd Sr: " Pac is taking a drug used by the Philippine Military, if u get hit by a bullet you keep on coming forward."


i think it's all business game and egotism. i don't believed that pac is on something, but if proven true, i would hate him for the rest of my life.

as far as i can remember, floyd didn't mention any of these tests till pac agreed to fight him.

a week of silence from their camp.

and then there goes..

[Doctor_Tenma]

nice facts. but can u show us what the weathers said too?
with date also.

like feb 24.

Floyd Sr: " Pac is taking a drug used by the Philippine Military, if u get hit by a bullet you keep on coming forward."


i think it's all business game and egotism. i don't believed that pac is on something, but if proven true, i would hate him for the rest of my life.

as far as i can remember, floyd didn't mention any of these tests till pac agreed to fight him.

a week of silence from their camp.

and then there goes..

Pacquiao knew about Mayweather's demands from the very beginning. You can even check Youtube.

[Carpe Diem]

Waking the dead...

[ajohnz]

Pacquiao knew about Mayweather's demands from the very beginning. You can even check Youtube.

i would really like this link so any delusional pac fans that believe mayweather did this AFTER manny agreed to fight him will be owned.

[PH|L]

Don't you think that if Pac was actually on HGH, Roach would know that HGH can be detected in a blood test? That quote just shows that these guys have no clue what the **** the blood testing can or can't catch, just that Pac doesn't like to have blood withdrawn from him.

If PAC was on PED's, Roach would know exactly what's what.

[ajohnz]

for everyone who thinks there's no advantage to blood testing when detecting certain drugs...
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d.../QA_hGH_En.pdf
"Does a test for hGH exist?
�� A test for hGH was first introduced at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. The test to detect hGH abuse is a blood test."

[PH|L]

for everyone who thinks there's no advantage to blood testing when detecting certain drugs...
http://www.wada-ama.org/rtecontent/d.../QA_hGH_En.pdf
"Does a test for hGH exist?
�� A test for hGH was first introduced at the 2004 Summer Olympic Games in Athens, Greece. The test to detect hGH abuse is a blood test."

From the same article

"The test was introduced at the Athens Olympic Games in 2004 and other major sport events. However, because hGH is often taken by doping athletes in the offseason for the anabolic effect, the test is most effective when implemented in a no-advance-notice out-of-competition strategy."

Should be no problem with a cut-off date. If anything, they should start testing now, and keep the tests running until the cut-off date.