Timeline: Here you see that Pacquiao and his team caused all this controversy.

[k1t3]

Pac agreed to blood tests, just not 48 hours before the fight. Is that not good enough? Any reason why the Mayweathers can't accept this compromise?

[lyricalether]

Pac agreed to blood tests, just not 48 hours before the fight. Is that not good enough? Any reason why the Mayweathers can't accept this compromise?

more than 48 hours in 30 days bro...You forgot Roach changed his mind on the cut off date about 5 times...

[Larrysbird]

Now there's an article on the internet saying the HBO won't support Mayweather fights anymore as he was destroying boxing.

Is this true? Got any link? Damn...

[badboypeenoy]

Timeline of Mayweather/GBP Black propaganda


September 15, 2009, 2:10AM

Josh Slagter of the The Grand Rapids Press wrote an article on Mayweather Sr. accusing Pacquiao of steroid use. video here

September 16, 2009, 1:00PM


Josh Slagter now points to Chris Robinson of Examiner.com, where Jeff Mayweather in an interview apparently said that "To be honest there are a lot of other people who feel Pacquiao is taking something as well... They are basing this on the fact that no other fighter has been able to rise so many weight classes while getting that ripped and muscular." - link to the original story now doesn't exist, but it has been reposted here.

November 9th, 2009

By this time, talk of Pacquiao being on roids is starting to pick-up in media. Cintron for example also gave an "opinion" that he thinks Pacquiao is using steroids RingTalk


December 07, 2009

Malignaggi to hype-up his coming fight with Diaz calls Pacquiao a PED muncher in an interview with Ricardo Lois.

December 22, 2009, 10:20PM


David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press wrote a article saying that Mayweather Sr's, earlier "opinion" was validated by Pacquiao "refusing to submit himself to Olympic-style random testing". - note that now there is this stress on the word "opinion" to start the interview on September 15 and again on validation claims on the December 22 article, was he "consciously" shielding himself from a defamation suit.

Dec. 23, 2009 at 04:45pm

Oscar De La Hoya in his blog in Ring magazine's website write “Wow. Those Mosley punches, those Vargas punches and those Pacquiao punches all felt the same.” I’m not saying yes or no [about whether Pacquiao might be taking performance-enhancing drugs]; I’m just saying that now people have to wonder: “Why doesn’t he want to do this? Why is it such a big deal.” - In that article Dela Hoya insinuates that Pacquiao, by not agreeing to blood testing, is trying to hide his use of HGH which according to him can only be detected by blood tests.



December 24, 2009, 11:55AM
Josh Slagter of the The Grand Rapids Press in another article insinuates that USADA's Travis Tygart and WADA's Dr. Gary Wadler does not agree that the 3 bloodtest and random urine test Pacquaio was willing to submit himself to isn't enough, that blood tests are necessary and that it needs to be random. - Looking at WADA's own literature on the testing shows that though blood testing is recommended it is neither necessary nor needs to be random.

December 25th 2009, 4:00 AM

Tim Smith wrote that "according to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye." do you honestly think this source is not from the GBP or Mayweather camp?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I'll give you this, you are absolutely correct that Manny's camp completely ****ed up with those statements that you have posted. But who demanded for this Olympic drug test and changed the rules of the basic standard drug test. Obviously it's Floyd's camp. If they didn't asked for this in the first place, none of this would be happening right now and we would have a fight on March 13 signed already. Those are the facts, cannot deny it.

Much respect, atleast you agree in that sense. In all honesty, you have to admit that because of what Pacquiao's camp have said, Mayweather should now STRONGLY pursue these tests.

[larry x]

lol.............................

[Doctor_Tenma]

Anyone take notice on how Roach/ Arum are trying to degrade blood testing in general? Since Pacquiao was weak against Morales, I could only ask...how come he hasn't asked for a 3-5 day cut off? Why 30?

[Joeyzagz]

I heard THe Mayweather Sr and Paulie accusations dozens of times and I didnt pay any attention to it.

I like most people didnt think manny was juicing until they refused tests.

[2120]

I'll give you this, you are absolutely correct that Manny's camp completely ****ed up with those statements that you have posted. But who demanded for this Olympic drug test and changed the rules of the basic standard drug test. Obviously it's Floyd's camp. If they didn't asked for this in the first place, none of this would be happening right now and we would have a fight on March 13 signed already. Those are the facts, cannot deny it.

if pac would have agreed to take random blood test then the fight would have been signed and floyd snr rumors of pac taking drugs would be laughed off as another floyd snr crackhead comment.

[Cash Cow]

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.




So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are downgrading blood testing in general.

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