Timeline: Here you see that Pacquiao and his team caused all this controversy.

[C.Y.]

HGH or roids does not necessarily need to be in your blood during the fight to give you an advantage.
Its what it does for your body during training that gives the fighter an edge.What does HGH do?
# One of the most dramatic effects of HGH is on the connective tissue, muscle, and healing potential of the skeletal system.

# HGH replacement or human growth hormone supplements in adults may have a beneficial effect on lipids and cardiovascular health.

# Human growth hormone therapy results in profound changes in body composition. Fat mass is reduced while lean body mass increases.

# HGH offers improved skin elasticity.

# HGH can normalize blood pressure.

# HGH increases immune function.

# HGH will give you a sharper memory and concentration.

# The growth hormone keeps the cells in as healthy a state as possible.

# HGH will enable you to regain your zest for life.

# Human growth hormone research indicate that it can also enhance sexual performance.

# HGH replacement therapy gives the mind a profound sense of well-being.

# It is able to regenerate heart, liver, kidneys, and lung cells.

# HGH is known to improve your cholesterol.

damn i didnt know all that

[Xeraser]

Floyd's demands are unnecessary. The best tests are when boxers least expect it.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Floyd's demands are unnecessary. The best tests are when boxers least expect it.

This doesn't even make sense, think about it

[Ray*]

I heard THe Mayweather Sr and Paulie accusations dozens of times and I didnt pay any attention to it.

I like most people didnt think manny was juicing until they refused tests.

Thats exactly how i feel, I heard them but never for once paid any attention to them, I laug it off and even called Mayweather snr names.

But i knew or felt something was wrong with the way Pacquiao react to been tested, I was shocked!!! It made me feel like Pac WAS on something that he felt he needs some days to worn off before he test himself.

I dont care who you are but when you're a top athlete YOU have to be ready to get tested NO excuses....None whatsoever.

[Doctor_Tenma]

That's in the beginning of negotiation, floyd initially offered a 7-8 random blood test the entire training schedule, that's ridiculous because manny ussually does 8 weeks of training prior to a fight so that would mean a random blood test for every week in training camp. Then team pac counters with a 3 days blood test with unlimited urine test, the last blood test right after the fight. Then the mayweathers leaked this detail to the press, insinuating that team pac is weaving their way to get past the random blood test.. What the F****k is that??!! They should have just made a counter offer, their still negotiating, It's a simple process, if they really want this fight they could have offered 3-4 random blood test but not closer than 72 hours before the fight and the last one right after the fight or something like that!!!

It's 3-5 blood tests.

Note: You're talking about a boxer who does concerts, goes off to play Basketball, acts in movies, meets up with politicians (all while in training) and he doesn't have 4-5 mins for a simple Urine/ Blood Test?

[flipside]

It's 3-5 blood tests.

Note: You're talking about a boxer who does concerts, goes off to play Basketball, acts in movies, meets up with politicians (all while in training) and he doesn't have 4-5 mins for a simple Urine/ Blood Test?

u said it man pac has no time for the blood tests with all the **** he be doin.

[Doctor_Tenma]

So.....



24 day cut off?

[Atreyu Khalil]

December 11:

Freddie Roach: I have no problem with the testing whatsoever. They can do whatever (Keyword: Whatever) kind of drug testing that they want.

December 14:

Alex Ariza: I am the one in charge, I am the one responsible for what Manny takes. He has no idea what he takes.


December 22:

Early today Richard Schaefer, CEO of Golden Boy Promotions, was contacted by Top Rank President Todd duBoef, who informed Schaefer that Pacquiao would not agree to have his blood taken within 30-days of the bout based on the fighter’s superstition of testing so close to a fight.

Richard Schaefer: Todd told me that Pacquiao has difficulty with taking blood and doesn’t want to do it so close to the fight. He, Pacquiao, would only agree to have blood drawn before the kick-off press conference and after the fight.

In that same day,

Freddie Roach: A urine test is just as qualified as a blood test. [Human growth hormone] is not detected by blood or urine.”

How is HGH test done?

More than one blood sample must be taken on different days, due to rapid changing levels of growth hormone. A test measuring IGF-1 levels may be taken in conjunction, as its levels change much slower. Before blood is drawn, the administering health professional should be informed of any disorders or medication being taken which can lead to bleeding at the site of the puncture.



December 23:

Bob Arum: Manny says that taking blood from him really weakens him. And he doesn't want to do it when he's in training, but he'll do it prior to going into training, and after the fight. Every major doctor will tell you that blood testing shows absolutely nothing.

Freddie Roach: For the record, Pacquiao (Remember, he said Pacquiao) is willing to have his blood drawn before he starts training and after the fight to be tested for steroids and performance enhancing drugs. It’s not like Pacquiao is saying no to drugs.


December 24:

Arum: This kid has a phobia for getting his blood drawn.

December 25:

Manny Pacquiao plans to sue Floyd Mayweather, the American's father and Golden Boy Promotions in the next few days following a row over doping procedures, the Filipino world champion said in a statement on Friday.

NYDailyNews. Tim Smith,

This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.


December 26:

Manny Pacquiao: I have offered to give a blood sample the day of the announcement of the fight at the Press Release. I have offered to give a blood sample 30 days before the fight. I am willing to give blood immediately after the fight is over inside my dressing room. I am also willing to give urine tests at anytime any where everyday leading up to the fight. The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight.

December 28

Manny Pacquiao: I do not have anything to prove (to them) and hopefully, they would not succeed in destroying my image and the sport of boxing in the way they want it done. They want to dictate and step on the authority of the organizations including the Nevada State Athletic Commission. I am not guilty and I don’t have to prove anything because I have passed all tests in all my previous fights. I will all just see you in court.

December 30:

David Tyler interviews Freddie Roach.

Freddie Roach: HGH cannot be detected by blood, saliva, or urine. The doctors I've talked to said that HGH and any growth harmone cannot be detected by any test.

David Tyler: Fred, I have a graduate's degree in Biochemistry and 30 years experience in developing blood chemistry tests.....I'll leave it alone, let's move foward.

Freddie Roach: No wait, you can't tell me that there is a test that can detect HGH or growth harmones.

David Tyler: Fred, I'm not here to make you mad.

Freddie Roach: I'm not mad, I'm telling you that you are wrong if you think there is a test for HGH.

David Tyler: Ok Fred, so you are saying that HGH cannot be detected by a blood test?

Freddie Roach: Absolutely, 100%, NO! Saliva, blood, or urine.




So, I guess this was all Floyd Sr.'s fault right? I think not.

Men Lie, Women Lie, Quotations don't.

Note: Notice how Roach/ Arum are downgrading blood testing in general.

please update this

[Doctor_Tenma]

please update this

Will do, sometime soon

[Carpe Diem]

The Mayweather fight is the fight the world wants to see,” Roach said. “It’s going to be the biggest pay-per-view fight of all time. But I think we will fight one fight before that.”

Roach said that Pacquiao’s schedule will be constructed around his political ambitions and the elections in the Philippines on May 10. “But there is a March date for him to fight,” Roach said. “People think I am crazy but I want him to win his eighth title against Yuri Foreman at 154lb. That’s my idea — then fight Mayweather in September. And then retire.”

The way Roach sees it, there will be no further blemishes on Pacquiao’s record by the time he greets retirement, although he does concede that Mayweather will be “the hardest fight of his life”.


“Mayweather’s a very difficult fight for Manny,” he said. “It won’t be physically the hardest, but it will be the hardest fight of his life style-wise. Mayweather is talented and he’s good at defence. I have a very good game plan for him, but I’m sure a lot of other guys thought that along the way.

“We’ll have a ten-week training camp. We have to work on a lot of new moves, we have to improve in certain areas to win that fight.” And would he expect his man to win? “Oh yes. Without a doubt.”



Why would he even contemplated about a tune up fight before even fighting Floyd? When you really spin this whole thing, and connect all the pieces of their stories, they are more to blame than the Mayweather's team. Biased analysts such as, Michael Wilbon, Brian Kenny, and Dan Rafael won't see it that way because they rather hate on Floyd, then care about making the Sport of boxing cleaner and safer.

"If they give me a 5-day window or something like that I have no problem with it," Roach said. "When they've drawn blood from Manny in the past he feels weaker for three or four days. It may be mental, but it's there."



Again, why would any athletes refuses to be testing randomly unless they have something to hide?

Why would an athlete walk away from the biggest payday in his professional career just because he thinks a blood test will weakens him 2-4 days before a fight?


Is the 14 days cut-off not enough time to recover from a teaspoon of blood?

There are more Pacquiao worshippers out there who will blame Floyd for whatever reason without any actual facts to make their arguments valid. The 14 days cut-off is just as useless as the 24 days or 30 days, or even 2-4 days for that matter, but Floyd offered it anyway just to prove that he wants the fight to happen.

There can be so many questions that can be asks from both side.

For instance:

Why would Floyd asked for that type of testing procedure if it has never being asked before?


Why would he asked it now when he didn't do so for his past fights?


Why would Manny Pacquiao take that kind of test if he has never been tested positive before?



We can spin it anyway we want, but Both sides are to blames for this whole thing, but it's seems that people are siding more with Pacquiao because he's the good guy and the face of the sport, but rather then wanting the sport that they loves to be safer and cleaner. I guess people cared less about their money. If i was paying $60-70 dollars for every PPV fights, i would want each of those fighters to be 100% clean for my money.


Major Props to the TS. All the pieces are there to see who really wanted the fight from the start, and who didn't.