On what grounds should pac have to take these drug test?

[Ray*]

and your so called source to back this up? everything goes through the liver and gets filtrated in the kidneys and proteins in the blood stream eventually end up to it.

i can tell you how A lot and i mean a lot of designer steroids can be detected in urine. don't believe me? here's one. (there are other links to other designer steroids as well)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15712284

my point is. to generally state that urine analysis is useless in steroid / hgh / enhancing drugs is just pathetic and idiotic.

No one is saying urine test is useless, and dont know who you guys are trying to protect Boxing or Manny pacquiao?? Blood test find more hiding and detects more than a urine test and the more reason why they do blood testing in the olympics.

If Both fighters have nothing to hide and they want a clean fight without someone coming out and saying so so and so is on this drug or whatnot then they would both take the same random test.

[DontHitMyNuts]

No one is saying urine test is useless, and dont know who you guys are trying to protect Boxing or Manny pacquiao?? Blood test find more hiding and detects more than a urine test and the more reason why they do blood testing in the olympics.

If Both fighters have nothing to hide and they want a clean fight without someone coming out and saying so so and so is on this drug or whatnot then they would both take the same random test.

blood tests find more? wtf says who? you?

manny agreed to the random testing just not 24 hours prior. why is that so hard? mayweather can compromise with that, why isnt mayweather willing to just go with that?

[Ray*]

theres a thread on the front page with a statement from manny pacquiao HIMSELF. read it up.

he's saying he has no problems with the testing, just don't draw his blood 24 hours prior to his fight. they can even take blood after

the one's thats demanding the 3 day/30day/whatever window are freddy roach and bob arum not manny pacquiao

Which is why i said which one is it??? Because it seem they are contradicting each other which tells me alot.

[Ray*]

blood tests find more? wtf says who? you?

manny agreed to the random testing just not 24 hours prior. why is that so hard? mayweather can compromise with that, why isnt mayweather willing to just go with that?

Says all the people involve in testing, And they might not even test Pac 24 hours before the fight because its random, They might test him 2 weeks before they fight and not comeback that the whole point of testing.

You cannot test the Anti-doping agency that you dont want to get tested 24 hours before you event...You cannot dictate your terms to them unless you have a valid reason as to why.

[MELLY-MEL...]

This level of blood testing is unprecedented in boxing, there is no other reason why they're doing this other than Crackhead Sr.'s accusations and insulting Manny's reputation. Floyd never asked any of his previous opponents to do this test, so why now. Point is, Floyd is playing mind games and at the same time trying to get out of this fight. If he really wants this fight, then he shouldn't have to go through extreme measures such as this knowingly that it would put the fight in jeopardy. Agree to the compromise that Roach suggested, blood test 2 months before the fight, 1 month before the fight, 1 week before the fight, and last one after the fight. That fair and honest and reasonable.

this........................green k sent.

[MELLY-MEL...]

Drug testing has to be random otherwise it defeats the point. As for Mayweather sr demanding the testing he was quoted during the pac cotto fight saying that something isnt quite right. How can the much smaller guy coming up from flywright be the stronger man. If Pac has nothing to hide then he should just take the tests, not testing the day before the fight is a good compromise, everthing else should stay the same.

are you serious? some of the strongest fellas is the world are smaller than their counterparts. weightlifting, football, etc.......some of the strongest people i have seen are people that i looked at and though, no way they are benching that, or doing that. they all must be juicing huh? **** outta here.

[DontHitMyNuts]

Says all the people involve in testing, And they might not even test Pac 24 hours before the fight because its random, They might test him 2 weeks before they fight and not comeback that the whole point of testing.

You cannot test the Anti-doping agency that you dont want to get tested 24 hours before you event...You cannot dictate your terms to them unless you have a valid reason as to why.

do you know the difference between blood and urine testing at all?

all the protein intake / toxins in blood all eventually lead to the liver and the kidneys which is the gist of urine testing.

the difference is blood testing takes these samples directly from the bloodstream. same stuff that will eventualy get to the liver and kidneys. if ever urine testing even makes it realiable because it detects the entire spectrum or should i say composition of blood.

lol is the reason because he doesnt want to valid enough for you? why does he need to take the test to begin with, is he a convicted criminal no. he's still willing to let blood drawn AFTER the fight. hell even ariza said 5 minutes after fight. i don't know what you're trying to argue here

[Adamantium]

are you serious? some of the strongest fellas is the world are smaller than their counterparts. weightlifting, football, etc.......some of the strongest people i have seen are people that i looked at and though, no way they are benching that, or doing that. they all must be juicing huh? **** outta here.

I should get the *** out of here because i quoted Mayweather sr?
Wouldn't you also have proved your point better if you gave boxing examples instead?

[rommel357]

Drug testing has to be random otherwise it defeats the point. As for Mayweather sr demanding the testing he was quoted during the pac cotto fight saying that something isnt quite right. How can the much smaller guy coming up from flywright be the stronger man. If Pac has nothing to hide then he should just take the tests, not testing the day before the fight is a good compromise, everthing else should stay the same.

How is that any different from Mayweather dominating DLH who is naturally much bigger.

[Adamantium]

How is that any different from Mayweather dominating DLH who is naturally much bigger.

I going to have to reedit that post and put that quote in speech marks. Mayweather sr has stated that something isnt right with Pac which is why, Team Mayweather have been pushing for the Olympic style testing.