On what grounds should pac have to take these drug test?

[DontHitMyNuts]

Its a known fact that many fighters are using or have used peds: Roy Jones, James Toney, Evander Holyfield, Richard Hall,Tommy Morrison, Fernado Vargas, Jamell McCline and who ever else. The fact that alot of these guys were not caught by the boxing authorities has to make you question how good there testing system is. Why they insist on only urine samples I dont know, but hopefully this olympic style of testing will become the norm.

the difference between olympic style testing and what they're doing now is just the blood drawing which manny has no problem with. provided it isnt within 24 hours of his fight (according to manny himself).

olympic style testing or not, it's the same protocol, same methodology for the urine. if they cant find anything on the urine (masking agents, diluters, etc) then the likelyhood of even finding anything on the blood is slim.

[Maidana vs Rios]

Why would Arum keep digging a deeper hole for himself and Manny, is beyond me.

If Manny wanted to prove he could beat Floyd anytime, anywhere, he would take the Olympic style testing simply to prove he's always been clean and to put a sock in the Mayweather's mouths by showing everybody he could beat Floyd under any circumstances.

After all, the majority of the boxing public is questioning Team Manny's motives as we speak.

It applies to this fight because it's the biggest fight of next year (if it ever gets made) and because the money at stake is too great to not cross all the "T"s and dot all the "I"s to make sure everything is above board.

I don't understand. The more money is at stake, the more legit it has to be? So you're saying if Mosley-Berto does less than 800k buys and isn't a big fight economically, they don't have to be subjected to the same poking and prodding?

Again, isn't that a double standard?

[Adamantium]

This level of blood testing is unprecedented in boxing, there is no other reason why they're doing this other than Crackhead Sr.'s accusations and insulting Manny's reputation. Floyd never asked any of his previous opponents to do this test, so why now. Point is, Floyd is playing mind games and at the same time trying to get out of this fight. If he really wants this fight, then he shouldn't have to go through extreme measures such as this knowingly that it would put the fight in jeopardy. Agree to the compromise that Roach suggested, blood test 2 months before the fight, 1 month before the fight, 1 week before the fight, and last one after the fight. That fair and honest and reasonable.

Drug testing has to be random otherwise it defeats the point. As for Mayweather sr demanding the testing he was quoted during the pac cotto fight saying that, " something isnt quite right. How can the much smaller guy coming up from flywright be the stronger man."

If Pac has nothing to hide then he should just take the tests, not testing the day before the fight is a good compromise, everthing else should stay the same.

[DontHitMyNuts]

Urine analysis cannot detect for hgh, only guys who make a mistake get caught like James Toney, Shane Mosely on the other hand was never caught same with Holyfield.
My question to you is this, which form of testing to you think is more reliable?

both forms are reliable. my issue is when people generalize urine testing in general saying how inaccurate and useless it is. what the hell do they know? unless they've done years of study in the field then i'll believe them.

there are papers and even detection techniques that are STILL being explored today using urine analysis hence it would be unwise to rule them out as a viable method for testing.

[Adamantium]

the difference between olympic style testing and what they're doing now is just the blood drawing which manny has no problem with. provided it isnt within 24 hours of his fight (according to manny himself).

olympic style testing or not, it's the same protocol, same methodology for the urine. if they cant find anything on the urine (masking agents, diluters, etc) then the likelyhood of even finding anything on the blood is slim.

You got a link for that?
If Manny agrees to everything apart from 24 hours before the fight then thats cool and im sure the Mayweathers will accept

[DontHitMyNuts]

Drug testing has to be random otherwise it defeats the point. As for Mayweather sr demanding the testing he was quoted during the pac cotto fight saying that something isnt quite right. How can the much smaller guy coming up from flywright be the stronger man. If Pac has nothing to hide then he should just take the tests, not testing the day before the fight is a good compromise, everthing else should stay the same.

so you're saying you have a problem with pac willing the test?

he's basically agreeding to take the test the mayweathers want except not 24 hours before his fight. how is that not reasonable? he even agreed to take the test immediately AFTER.

tell me what is there to gain by not compromising with pac's reasonable demand? what the hell is he going to do in 24 hours? if he believes it'll weaken him, then honor his request and let him at his tip top mental state coming to the fight

[Ray*]

so you're saying you have a problem with pac willing the test?

he's basically agreeding to take the test the mayweathers want except not 24 hours before his fight. how is that not reasonable? he even agreed to take the test immediately AFTER.

tell me what is there to gain by not compromising with pac's reasonable demand? what the hell is he going to do in 24 hours? if he believes it'll weaken him, then honor his request and let him at his tip top mental state coming to the fight

The time seem to be getting lesser and lesser by the minute, First he didnt want to get tested olympic style, Then he didnt want to get tested 6 weeks before the fight, Then 30 days before the fight then 3 days before the fight...Now you're claiming 24 hours before the fight.......which one isnt it???

[Adamantium]

so you're saying you have a problem with pac willing the test?

he's basically agreeding to take the test the mayweathers want except not 24 hours before his fight. how is that not reasonable? he even agreed to take the test immediately AFTER.

tell me what is there to gain by not compromising with pac's reasonable demand? what the hell is he going to do in 24 hours? if he believes it'll weaken him, then honor his request and let him at his tip top mental state coming to the fight

Didnt I say it was a reasonable compromise?

[DontHitMyNuts]

The time seem to be getting lesser and lesser by the minute, First he didnt want to get tested olympic style, Then he didnt want to get tested 6 weeks before the fight, Then 30 days before the fight then 3 days before the fight...Now you're claiming 24 hours before the fight.......which one isnt it???

theres a thread on the front page with a statement from manny pacquiao HIMSELF. read it up.

he's saying he has no problems with the testing, just don't draw his blood 24 hours prior to his fight. they can even take blood after

the one's thats demanding the 3 day/30day/whatever window are freddy roach and bob arum not manny pacquiao

[Adamantium]

The time seem to be getting lesser and lesser by the minute, First he didnt want to get tested olympic style, Then he didnt want to get tested 6 weeks before the fight, Then 30 days before the fight then 3 days before the fight...Now you're claiming 24 hours before the fight.......which one isnt it???

Yeah, the Pac camp have made a right mess of things.