Comments Thread For: Insider Notebook: Pacquiao's Blood, Mosley, Hopkins, Khan

[BadNewz]

Everyone already knew Mosley was a coward and a fraud. This just proves it even more.

[Boxing's Truth]

Wow, I am honored that you would mention me.

And that was a horrible piece of "journalism." **** it, I'll try to explain a bit below, although I don't know if there is much use to be honest.

Dude, educate yourself on the issue. Stop letting your love affair with Pac influence what you post. I didn't right that article I posted. It quotes people who have nothing to do with the with the fight.

Why don't you find some experts who prove your points and stop listening to the Pac's camp's foolishness.

[Drunken Cat]

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud
By Josh Slagter | The Grand Rapids Press
December 24, 2009, 11:55AM

The notion of bad blood interfering with the negotiations between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao's representatives wasn't far fetched. Neither camp gets along with the other.

But with Tuesday's announcement from Mayweather's camp that Pacquiao has refused the Olympic-style random drug testing, tensions have reached a new high.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission uses urine tests before and after fights to check for steroids other and performance-enhancing drugs. A blood test is required to earn a one-year license to fight in Nevada, too.

Mayweather's camp is demanding the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency conduct random blood tests during training. Pacqiuao's promoter, Bob Aurm, has said his fighter has agreed to be blood tested three times: in January, 30 days before the fight and then right after the fight.

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar's position.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the fight? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter.

“That amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” Conte told Yahoo! Sports. “It’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”

The implementation of drug testing remains the only sticking point on negotiations for a fight that could break all of boxing's revenue records.

Will either side blink in time for the fight to happen? It doesn't sound like Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe plans to back off on his demands.

"They're backed up against the wall. Either they're going to step up to the plate and do this, or my guy's not stepping up into the ring and fighting," Ellerbe said on "The Huge Show" on Wednesday. "If you have nothing to hide, why not subject yourself to this testing?"

E-mail Josh Slagter at jslagter@grpress.com and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JoshSlagter

This piece starts off sounding object at the onset, although the fact that it was published by the Grand Rapids Press is a most obvious red flag.

Then there is this:

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

A quote attributed to a USADA official, who should be a non-biased representative, clearly taking a stance on the issue at hand (I guess Arum was right to slam the USADA).

Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter.

Did they seriously just quote Mosely's (and Evander's) drug dealer? I am dumbfounded.

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I really don't have much time for games, but anyone who believes this load of bull**** to be objective reporting absolutely has the intelligence of a lima bean.

[Drunken Cat]

Dude, educate yourself on the issue. Stop letting your love affair with Pac influence what you post. I didn't right that article I posted. It quotes people who have nothing to do with the with the fight.

Why don't you find some experts who prove your points and stop listening to the Pac's camp's foolishness.[/SIZE][/B]

Yes, I read the slanderous piece of garbage published by Floyd's hometown paper. Now, you stop being such a dumb**** and learn to objectively view events, moron.

[cortdawg25]

yes, i read the slanderous piece of garbage published by floyd's hometown paper. Now, you stop being such a dumb**** and learn to objectively view events, moron.

let it go man....u lost this one! Your idol is looking more and more like a cheat. And more and more people are starting to see that.


And just think, this all over a teaspoon of blood! The excuse from his camp have been ridiculous, but i'm glad this happen...boxing needs to have proper regualtion in place to combat this steroid era!

[josenoway]

okay, so let's be clear, you're going on record as saying Travis Tygart has his facts mixed up? You're saying that there is a urine-based test for HGH?

Oh, and for the record, he didn't say aid a Manny Pacquiao. He said boxer. As in ANY boxer. So how exactly is he taking a stance? His organization would be testing both fighters, so no, there's no 'stance' here. You're grasping at straws. And why are you dumbfounded when Victor Conte, Mr. Balco himself, a guy who had years of experience with doping and cheating, gives his opinion that a simple blood test won't affect performance? Why is that so hard to understand? Hell, ask the 10,000+ olympic athletes who go through the same olympic style testing and have no problem setting world records after giving a tablespoon of blood.

You guys are trying to belittle the USADA's mission of cleaning up sports, all because your idol Manny Pacquiao refuses to comply with a simple blood test that tens of thousands of top athletes agree to every year. That's ******.

[Drunken Cat]

let it go man....u lost this one! Your idol is looking more and more like a cheat. And more and more people are starting to see that.


And just think, this all over a teaspoon of blood! The excuse from his camp have been ridiculous, but i'm glad this happen...boxing needs to have proper regualtion in place to combat this steroid era!

He's not my idol. And you're an idiot, as indicated by this as well as other posts.

boxing needs to have proper regualtion in place to combat this steroid era!

This has nothing to do with boxing regulations. It has everything to do with Mayweather's side writing their own regulatory regime, and Manny's side telling them to go to hell, and then being slanderously attacked in the press.

I honestly don't know why the hell I even bother trying to talk sense to idiots.

[cortdawg25]

okay, so let's be clear, you're going on record as saying travis tygart has his facts mixed up? You're saying that there is a urine-based test for hgh?

Oh, and for the record, he didn't say aid a manny pacquiao. He said boxer. As in any boxer. So how exactly is he taking a stance? His organization would be testing both fighters, so no, there's no 'stance' here. You're grasping at straws. And why are you dumbfounded when victor conte, mr. Balco himself, a guy who had years of experience with doping and cheating, gives his opinion that a simple blood test won't affect performance? Why is that so hard to understand? Hell, ask the 10,000+ olympic athletes who go through the same olympic style testing and have no problem setting world records after giving a tablespoon of blood.

You guys are trying to belittle the usada's mission of cleaning up sports, all because your idol manny pacquiao refuses to comply with a simple blood test that tens of thousands of top athletes agree to every year. That's ******.

a man...pacquiao is on somehting. That's the only expalantion i can come up with. This whole i'm not working for floyd crap is just deflecting....shaw said pacquiao got his tatoos at a kiddie carnival. It's getting ugly!

[josenoway]

How is this suddenly Mayweather's fault? It's Manny's camp that wants to alter USADA's testing regime, which is to put it bluntly, ****ing ******. How on earth does an athlete tell an anti-doping organization how they're going to do their job? Would the general public accept Lance Armstrong dictating the terms of his testing schedule with the anti-doping organizations? Of course not. Which is why the general public is dumbfounded that Manny Pacquiao is trying do that very thing.

[Boxing's Truth]

okay, so let's be clear, you're going on record as saying Travis Tygart has his facts mixed up? You're saying that there is a urine-based test for HGH?

Oh, and for the record, he didn't say aid a Manny Pacquiao. He said boxer. As in ANY boxer. So how exactly is he taking a stance? His organization would be testing both fighters, so no, there's no 'stance' here. You're grasping at straws. And why are you dumbfounded when Victor Conte, Mr. Balco himself, a guy who had years of experience with doping and cheating, gives his opinion that a simple blood test won't affect performance? Why is that so hard to understand? Hell, ask the 10,000+ olympic athletes who go through the same olympic style testing and have no problem setting world records after giving a tablespoon of blood.

You guys are trying to belittle the USADA's mission of cleaning up sports, all because your idol Manny Pacquiao refuses to comply with a simple blood test that tens of thousands of top athletes agree to every year. That's ******.

LOL!!!! Sick-em Jose, sick-em...

The problem with Pac fans is that all their dreams of their little pride and joy are going down the drain. He is seriously being exposed here. Pac fans feel like they just got hit by a sledge hammer and are dazed. So what do the do? They post nothing but opinionated bull****. NO FACTS to back their claims.

And here is the head of the USADA and Victor Conte who are both well aware of what goes on in sports and now Pac fans act like those guys don't know ****. LOL!!!!! Pac fans are more pathetic than Pac himself.