Comments Thread For: Insider Notebook: Pacquiao's Blood, Mosley, Hopkins, Khan

[Drunken Cat]

As a veteran of 40 years of being inside the world pugilists inhabit, in and out of the ring, I have had it with the nonsense and demands that a protected Floyd Mayweather Jr. invents, at the urging of his insane fistic family, in order to drown their potential fight in su****ions of illegal drug activity on Manny's part. This serves Floyd in two ways: the attempt to get into Pacquiao's skull prior to the contest and Floyd's possible excuse after he gets beaten.
Forget this trash. Taking blood right after the fight is as good as taking it prior.
Move on Manny. You would have taken him to school regardless. Finish your honorable career with an eighth strap, give Marquez his due at his own weight and call, it a night.
Mayweather needs the cash so I anticipate that this clash will occur before the year is out, but as of today, I could not care less if I ever see Jr. in the squared circle again.
Lennox walked away from millions against Vitali. For Freddie and Manny, this is about a great deal more then cash. The Mayweathers could never understand that concept.

Nothing here but the truth. And I thank you for your elegant presentation of it.

[GameBullDawg]

Pit General sez,

I am amazed at the Jealousy of Pacmans successes ,,, its generated from the "HEART",,,,, The Heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked,,,,,

I am amazed at the IGNORANCE of People !!

Pac has never , Ever said he wouldn't be tested !! He will NOT succumb to Mayweathers RULES , Pac will,,, I say WILL abide by the Nevada State Professional Boxing Commission's RULES , has and always WILL !!!!!!!

I am amazed at HOW DUMB PEOPLE CONTINUE TO BE about this Matter.

I am LMAO at the Mayweathers and their crowd of disciples!!! Their fear mongering started by the OLD and UGLY Mayweather in his Shady Ways, under the OLD shade trees in SHADY GROVE !!

Pac sez ...... Excuses ,,, EXCUSES ,, Mayweather is scared to trade punches with me !!!!!

So funny ,,,, LMAO !!!!!!!

[GRUSTLER]

I think this is bull**** to the fullest. The wheels were already in motion for the De La Hoya-Mayweather fight when 2007 came around. And after that fight was over with, Mosley said that he'd be willing to fight Floyd and Floyd went after Hatton instead and then we got a fight between Cotto and Mosley.

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Mosley told Oscar to
beat Mayweather then send him his way. Mosley stepped
aside for Oscar to get the fight with Floyd because remember,
Floyd was calling out Oscar and Mosley on his way up.
Cotto/Mosley was in November 07 and Hatton/Floyd was in
December 07.

[Iceta]

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Mosley told Oscar to
beat Mayweather then send him his way. Mosley stepped
aside for Oscar to get the fight with Floyd because remember,
Floyd was calling out Oscar and Mosley on his way up.
Cotto/Mosley was in November 07 and Hatton/Floyd was in
December 07.

Yeah, but Schaeffer is trying to spin it like Mosley refused to fight Floyd for absolutely no reason. Golden Boy has been a road block to this fight if you really want to be fair and objective about it rather than one fighter being scared of the other. They shoved Floyd's fight with JMM down our throats when Shane would've been happy to fight him.

[Boxing's Truth]

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud
By Josh Slagter | The Grand Rapids Press
December 24, 2009, 11:55AM

The notion of bad blood interfering with the negotiations between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao's representatives wasn't far fetched. Neither camp gets along with the other.

But with Tuesday's announcement from Mayweather's camp that Pacquiao has refused the Olympic-style random drug testing, tensions have reached a new high.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission uses urine tests before and after fights to check for steroids other and performance-enhancing drugs. A blood test is required to earn a one-year license to fight in Nevada, too.

Mayweather's camp is demanding the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency conduct random blood tests during training. Pacqiuao's promoter, Bob Aurm, has said his fighter has agreed to be blood tested three times: in January, 30 days before the fight and then right after the fight.

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar's position.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the fight? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter.

“That amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” Conte told Yahoo! Sports. “It’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”

The implementation of drug testing remains the only sticking point on negotiations for a fight that could break all of boxing's revenue records.

Will either side blink in time for the fight to happen? It doesn't sound like Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe plans to back off on his demands.

"They're backed up against the wall. Either they're going to step up to the plate and do this, or my guy's not stepping up into the ring and fighting," Ellerbe said on "The Huge Show" on Wednesday. "If you have nothing to hide, why not subject yourself to this testing?"

E-mail Josh Slagter at jslagter@grpress.com and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JoshSlagter

[cortdawg25]

blood vs. Urine? Usada clears up fuss over mayweather-pacquiao drug testing feud
by josh slagter | the grand rapids press
december 24, 2009, 11:55am

the notion of bad blood interfering with the negotiations between floyd mayweather and manny pacquiao's representatives wasn't far fetched. Neither camp gets along with the other.

But with tuesday's announcement from mayweather's camp that pacquiao has refused the olympic-style random drug testing, tensions have reached a new high.

The nevada state athletic commission uses urine tests before and after fights to check for steroids other and performance-enhancing drugs. A blood test is required to earn a one-year license to fight in nevada, too.

Mayweather's camp is demanding the u.s. Anti-doping agency conduct random blood tests during training. Pacqiuao's promoter, bob aurm, has said his fighter has agreed to be blood tested three times: In january, 30 days before the fight and then right after the fight.

Travis tygart, the ceo of usada, told kevin iole of yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"there is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," tygart said. "it doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

tygert also added the schedule arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“that kind of window is totally unacceptable,” tygart said. “it would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

dr. Gary wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the world anti-doping agency’s prohibited list and methods sub-committee, supported tygar's position.

“the fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” wadler told yahoo! Sports. “it would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

and to arum's notion that pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the fight? Victor conte, the founder of bay-area laboratory cooperative (balco), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter.

“that amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” conte told yahoo! Sports. “it’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”

the implementation of drug testing remains the only sticking point on negotiations for a fight that could break all of boxing's revenue records.

Will either side blink in time for the fight to happen? It doesn't sound like mayweather adviser leonard ellerbe plans to back off on his demands.

"they're backed up against the wall. Either they're going to step up to the plate and do this, or my guy's not stepping up into the ring and fighting," ellerbe said on "the huge show" on wednesday. "if you have nothing to hide, why not subject yourself to this testing?"

e-mail josh slagter at jslagter@grpress.com and follow him on twitter at twitter.com/joshslagter

wow.....this is what i was trying to tell ichiban yesterday. There nothing random about a test if u know when the test is gonna be given!

[josenoway]

And Floyd walked away from millions with the DLH rematch. You can't cherrypick your information like that. And you're dead wrong, scientifically, realistically, logically, dead dead dead wrong that taking blood after the fight is as good as taking it prior. I don't know why you Pac denialists keep on going with that completely false statement. USADA knows what it's doing, and it's testing rigor and schedule have been designed and shaped to its current format after years of having to chase and catch some of the very best dopers and cheats out there. They have no stake whatsoever in who wins or loses in this fight. They're only interested in making sure, as best they can, that neither fighter, not just Manny, but the both of them, did you read that? THE BOTH OF THEM, have no PEDS in their system. Why on earth is that such a difficult concept for you Pac Denialists to embrace? You guys just go on the ******est rants because you don't like the Mayweather family or their personalities. And you somehow link that dislike to USADA which has been at the forefront of trying to keep sports clean. Your emotions cloud your judgement. I know that for a fact because if the roles were reversed, if Manny were insisting on Floyd being tested by USADA, and Floyd refused, you guys would be like flies on ****, and this board would crash with all the vitriol you'd be spewing.

As a veteran of 40 years of being inside the world pugilists inhabit, in and out of the ring, I have had it with the nonsense and demands that a protected Floyd Mayweather Jr. invents, at the urging of his insane fistic family, in order to drown their potential fight in su****ions of illegal drug activity on Manny's part. This serves Floyd in two ways: the attempt to get into Pacquiao's skull prior to the contest and Floyd's possible excuse after he gets beaten.
Forget this trash. Taking blood right after the fight is as good as taking it prior.
Move on Manny. You would have taken him to school regardless. Finish your honorable career with an eighth strap, give Marquez his due at his own weight and call, it a night.
Mayweather needs the cash so I anticipate that this clash will occur before the year is out, but as of today, I could not care less if I ever see Jr. in the squared circle again.
Lennox walked away from millions against Vitali. For Freddie and Manny, this is about a great deal more then cash. The Mayweathers could never understand that concept.

[Drunken Cat]

Blood vs. urine? USADA clears up fuss over Mayweather-Pacquiao drug testing feud
By Josh Slagter | The Grand Rapids Press
December 24, 2009, 11:55AM

The notion of bad blood interfering with the negotiations between Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao's representatives wasn't far fetched. Neither camp gets along with the other.

But with Tuesday's announcement from Mayweather's camp that Pacquiao has refused the Olympic-style random drug testing, tensions have reached a new high.

The Nevada State Athletic Commission uses urine tests before and after fights to check for steroids other and performance-enhancing drugs. A blood test is required to earn a one-year license to fight in Nevada, too.

Mayweather's camp is demanding the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency conduct random blood tests during training. Pacqiuao's promoter, Bob Aurm, has said his fighter has agreed to be blood tested three times: in January, 30 days before the fight and then right after the fight.

Travis Tygart, the CEO of USADA, told Kevin Iole of Yahoo! Sports that both urine and blood tests are needed to determine if a fighter is clean.

"There is no urine-based tested for human-growth hormone," Tygart said. "It doesn’t show up in the urine. It’s only a blood-based test. That’s true of a number of prohibited substances, particularly those that would enhance and aid a boxer.”

Tygert also added the schedule Arum is proposing won't work, because a fighter would have the advantage of knowing when he'd be tested.

“That kind of window is totally unacceptable,” Tygart said. “It would provide a huge loophole for a cheater to step through and get away with cheating.”

Dr. Gary Wadler, an internal medicine physician and chairman of the World Anti-Doping Agency’s Prohibited List and Methods sub-committee, supported Tygar's position.

“The fundamental principle is that the time and place of testing is in the domain of the governing body, not of the athlete,” Wadler told Yahoo! Sports. “It would lose all its validity if the athlete could pick and choose when he is going to be tested and for what he’s going to be tested for and how he’s going to be tested. They’re sophisticated enough now that if someone wanted to, you could play the calendar to your advantage."

And to Arum's notion that Pacquaio will feel "weakened" by getting his blood drawn close to the fight? Victor Conte, the founder of Bay-Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO), said the tests would have no physical effect on either fighter.

“That amount would be less than one-half of one percent (of the total blood in the body),” Conte told Yahoo! Sports. “It’s not going to have any effect, the drawing of blood. Could it have some mental effect? That’s the only down side of that. It’s certainly not going to have any physical effect, giving blood before a fight.”

The implementation of drug testing remains the only sticking point on negotiations for a fight that could break all of boxing's revenue records.

Will either side blink in time for the fight to happen? It doesn't sound like Mayweather adviser Leonard Ellerbe plans to back off on his demands.

"They're backed up against the wall. Either they're going to step up to the plate and do this, or my guy's not stepping up into the ring and fighting," Ellerbe said on "The Huge Show" on Wednesday. "If you have nothing to hide, why not subject yourself to this testing?"

E-mail Josh Slagter at jslagter@grpress.com and follow him on Twitter at twitter.com/JoshSlagter

wow.....this is what i was trying to tell ichiban yesterday. There nothing random about a test if u know when the test is gonna be given!

Wow, I am honored that you would mention me.

And that was a horrible piece of "journalism." **** it, I'll try to explain a bit below, although I don't know if there is much use to be honest.

[josenoway]

lol, yes, please explain to us how Travis Tygart, the CEO of the USADA, has his facts wrong.

[BadNewz]

People should test Khan too, and every other fighter in Roach's stable.