Is Pac greater than SRL?

[andrewcuff]

OK Mr Knowledge, now enlighten us, unbiasedly on... Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hoya, Hatton & Cotto... not to mention Ledwaba & Larios. And don't start telling us how weight drained or past their prime they were because I'm sure we can find detractors on all of the above mentioned Leonard opponents.

Read my signature. Pacman is my favourite current fighter! I'm not criticising his resume, merely pointing out that Leonards is greater.

Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler > Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hota, Hatton and Cotto.

Not by a huge margin, but enough to put Leonard in the Top 10.

[El Chicano]

Read my signature. Pacman is my favourite current fighter! I'm not criticising his resume, merely pointing out that Leonards is greater.

Benitez, Duran, Hearns and Hagler > Barrera, Morales, Marquez, De La Hota, Hatton and Cotto.

Not by a huge margin, but enough to put Leonard in the Top 10.

I disagree. You're talking about 4 fights. Manny's accomplishments are more meaningful against MORE fighters. You are all caught up with **** you know nothing of. You weren't even alive when Marvin fought Ray. I've been watching boxing longer than you've been around young buck. What Manny has done it simply amazing. Manny's challenge for the Welterweight title was comparable to Ray's challenge for the Light Heavyweight Title (@168, bet you didn't know that), but Manny's defeat of Cotto ****s on Rays win over Lalonde. And that's just one reason why Manny is as high, if not higher than Ray on the All Time list. End of Thread.

[Roxas]

A Top 5 ATG?

So, out of Robinson, Ali, Louis, Gans, Benny Leonard, Sugar Ray Leonard, Greb, Duran etc is he better than then?

Top 5 is ludicrous.

Pac's resume does not trump Leonards. Simple.

Pacs shady record doesn't come anywhere close to Leonards his steroid abuse doesn't help ethier.....

[andrewcuff]

I disagree. You're talking about 4 fights. Manny's accomplishments are more meaningful against MORE fighters. You are all caught up with **** you know nothing of. You weren't even alive when Marvin fought Ray. I've been watching boxing longer than you've been around young buck. What Manny has done it simply amazing. Manny's challenge for the Welterweight title was comparable to Ray's challenge for the Light Heavyweight Title (@168, bet you didn't know that), but Manny's defeat of Cotto ****s on Rays win over Lalonde. And that's just one reason why Manny is as high, if not higher than Ray on the All Time list. End of Thread.

1. Know nothing of? How do you know what I know, old boy?
2. My DOB is irrelevant. Watching the fights in 1987 or 2007 does not alter what you learn.
3. The "I'm older than the hills" chestnut is meaningless.
4. Ray's win over LaLonde is hardly a claim to greatness, which is why I did not use it in my explanation of his resume. Doh!
5. The vast majority of people rate Leonard higher than Pacquiao for good reason.

Leonard has greater names on his resume due to the outstanding era he fought in.

[andrewcuff]

Pacs shady record doesn't come anywhere close to Leonards his steroid abuse doesn't help ethier.....

Drugs have nothing to do with this thread Mr Troll.

[El Chicano]

1. Know nothing of? How do you know what I know, old boy?
2. My DOB is irrelevant. Watching the fights in 1987 or 2007 does not alter what you learn.
3. The "I'm older than the hills" chestnut is meaningless.
4. Ray's win over LaLonde is hardly a claim to greatness, which is why I did not use it in my explanation of his resume. Doh!
5. The vast majority of people rate Leonard higher than Pacquiao for good reason.

Leonard has greater names on his resume due to the outstanding era he fought in.

OK, none of what you wrote above, supports your claim. If you're simply talking about names, Oscar, MAB, Morales and JMM suffice as "great names".

[andrewcuff]

OK, none of what you wrote above, supports your claim.

Give it up. I presented logical reasons in an earlier post. I am a big Pacquaio fan and put him Top 25. Beating Mayweather will put him Top 15. Unfortunately, as far as you are concerned, Leonard is Top 10.

Many, many people share this view.

[andrewcuff]

I disagree. You're talking about 4 fights. Manny's accomplishments are more meaningful against MORE fighters. You are all caught up with **** you know nothing of. You weren't even alive when Marvin fought Ray. I've been watching boxing longer than you've been around young buck. What Manny has done it simply amazing. Manny's challenge for the Welterweight title was comparable to Ray's challenge for the Light Heavyweight Title (@168, bet you didn't know that), but Manny's defeat of Cotto ****s on Rays win over Lalonde. And that's just one reason why Manny is as high, if not higher than Ray on the All Time list. End of Thread.

That's the thing with this website: if you present an opinion that differs from someone else, regardless of how logical or objective it is, is ridiculed because the poster is too young, knows too little blah blah.

Cheap debating tactics.

[Kiid Dynamite]

That's the thing with this website: if you present an opinion that differs from someone else, regardless of how logical or objective it is, is ridiculed because the poster is too young, knows too little blah blah.

Cheap debating tactics.

if pacquiao beats mayweather, it doesnt have to be convincingly ala leonard vs hagler... pacquiao ranks higher than leonard

if you dont think that well then, your living in the past

at this moment, it could go either way maybe even even lol

[andrewcuff]

if pacquiao beats mayweather, it doesnt have to be convincingly ala leonard vs hagler... pacquiao ranks higher than leonard

if you dont think that well then, your living in the past

at this moment, it could go either way maybe even even lol

Not necessarily. It would depend on the nature of the win. A close decision would be less impressive than Leonards wins over Duran & Hearns 147. However, "doing a Hatton" job on Floyd would really make things close.