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  • STUNNA
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    #31
    Originally posted by usa_pugilist
    show me another time where this has happened please.

    I have been saying this since the first page. Please show me.

    This fight is gonna be great but this has no relevance.
    ummm zab judah did it to......

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    • FRANKGWJ
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      #32
      Originally posted by USA_Pugilist
      he looks for habits...not mistakes remember?

      this was a once in a fight mistake. not a habit.

      im not Mayweather nuthugger but this example isnt much of a good one...now if this happened everytime Floyd faced a southpaw it would be different.

      The funny thing about that is, he made the same mistake three times. He got stunned twice(with the left hand) against Chop Chop with that defense in that fight and once against(with the left hand) Judah with that same defense. Bit the good thing about Floyd is he adapt during the fight!

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      • Killa_Kali
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        #33
        Originally posted by USA_Pugilist
        show me another time where this has happened please.

        i have been saying this since the first page. please show me.

        this fight is gonna be great but this has no relevance.
        several posters have pointed out the first four rounds of the zab fight, which forced floyd to use the high guard in the latter rounds. floyd won that fight with the high guard and because zab gassed/doesnt have the stamina for the full monty.

        watch that fight because i hell aint gonna post a gif of the entire fight.
        Last edited by Killa_Kali; 12-19-2009, 01:58 PM.

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        • AKATheMack
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          #34
          Originally posted by S a m u r a i
          Agree, but that might be easier said than done. Pacquiao closes gaps like lightning, his footwork eats a ton of ground. This also makes up for his reach disadvantage.
          I dont disagree. Both fighters are greats and anyone who says this is easy for either fighter is delusional. Its just really hard to beat up a person who doesnt want to engage, and Mayweather is great defensively. Pac is an ultimate aggressor tho which is why this fight is so hard to predict.

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            #35
            Originally posted by silversurfer.
            Dont let Freddie Roach see this.

            Against Zab Judah he adopted the high guard defence, from about round 5 onwards. This is why I say Toneys shoulder roll is better than Floyds, because he can use his against southpaws, like he did against Robinson.
            Thanks for mentioning this fight, i had never seen Toney vs Robinson, i'm watching it right now.

            And i completely agree, Folyd and B-Hop wish their defense was as good as Toney's

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            • apokalips
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              #36
              Originally posted by killakali


              due to insistent public demand
              As beautiful as that is I can't imagine Mayweather letting that weak ass fake jab from Manny not get punished by a quick right hand.

              Ricky tried to counter with an even weaker jab to the body which Pac replied with by damn near decapitatin dude. That KO is the definition of devastatin Hatton looked dead immediately as the punch connected.

              Can't see that happening in the Mayweather fight as Floyd thrives on counter punching and is in another dimension from Hatton in terms of reflexes and countering.

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              • Killa_Kali
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                #37
                Originally posted by apokalips
                As beautiful as that is I can't imagine Mayweather letting that weak ass fake jab from Manny not get punished by a quick right hand.

                Ricky tried to counter with an even weaker jab to the body which Pac replied with by damn near decapitatin dude. That KO is the definition of devastatin Hatton looked dead immediately as the punch connected.

                Can't see that happening in the Mayweather fight as Floyd thrives on counter punching and is in another dimension from Hatton in terms of reflexes and countering.
                like what sam mentioned, both floyd and hatton in the two gifs were baited by a feint right jab that set up left hooks.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by killakali
                  like what sam mentioned, both floyd and hatton in the two gifs were baited by a feint right jab that set up left hooks.
                  It is true but Floyd was much more aggressive in that fight than he has been recently and knocked him down a few times in the end. It would be a great spectacle if Floyd opened up like that but don't expect to see it until later in the fight. Floyd will start with the jab and lead left hook, keeping range and trying to build a lead on the scorecards and sounding Pacquiao out before cranking it up.

                  What Pacquiao must do is bait Mayweather into thinking he's going to be patient then unsettle him by switching up his pace either late in round 1 or from the start of round 2. Luring him into a false sense of security could work well for Pac, however, he can't really afford to give rounds away to a boxer like Mayweather but the risk could pay off.

                  Originally posted by killakali
                  several posters have pointed out the first four rounds of the zab fight, which forced floyd to use the high guard in the latter rounds. floyd won that fight with the high guard and because zab gassed/doesnt have the stamina for the full monty.

                  watch that fight because i hell aint gonna post a gif of the entire fight.
                  I think I gave Judah just 2 of the first 4 rounds. He only really had 2 clear good rounds the other 2 he troubled Floyd a bit but Floyd took the rounds.
                  Last edited by apokalips; 12-20-2009, 12:30 PM.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by killakali
                    like what sam mentioned, both floyd and hatton in the two gifs were baited by a feint right jab that set up left hooks.
                    floyd will never get hit with a left hand like hatton did.

                    hatton came in hands down chin up and didnt see the punch. we all know that hatton just walks forward.

                    floyd does NOTHING like hatton so the comparison isnt there.

                    ALL orthodox fighters are in danger of this from a soutpaw but floyd has the skill to work through it and get around it. just like the Zab fight.

                    Most of you try to claim Zab was doing this all night to Floyd. Which is being heavily exagerrated. Floyd wont fight Pac the same way. and Pac in no way fights like Zab. besides floyd and zab hated each other and emotion will make you get hit more than anything.


                    I like Pacquiao i really really do. but most of you are making it seem like it is going to be a walk in the park and IF Pac loses your just setting yourselves up for major heartache.

                    As a boxing fan you gotta be realistic.

                    Defensive fighters make their opponents fight their game. Period.

                    Manny had the defensive advantage to Hatton with his superior footwork and guess what Hatton walked right into a punch Manny set up with his defense.

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                    • Killa_Kali
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by USA_Pugilist
                      floyd will never get hit with a left hand like hatton did.
                      stop right there.

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