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  • Shadow boxer 3
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    #21
    Originally posted by them_apples
    JMM kept him at bay with brutal combinations. Manny can slip one punch, but 5? not many people can.

    Wanna know why this won't work? because sure, yea he catches Manny coming in...then what? Marquez would catch Manny coming in, then he would back him up with 4 more punches. and he still lost. Marquez can fight when he has to, Floyd can't.

    You are just secretly using the triangle theory here but it won't work. A 147 lb featherweight counter puncher isn't going to beat an opponent that fights on the back foot.
    triangle theory ?? i just pointed out why jmm was effective against pac and floyd could use the same gameplan since he's also a counter puncher. and u dont know if floyd will throw 1 punch at a time or not against pac. floyd punches in combination when he chooses to.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Shadow boxer 3
      triangle theory ?? i just pointed out why jmm was effective against pac and floyd could use the same gameplan since he's also a counter puncher. and u dont know if floyd will throw 1 punch at a time or not against pac. floyd punches in combination when he chooses to.
      yea true, i misread you. I've never seen Floyd let his hands go above 140. He's too defensive. by doing so he would be initiating a fight.

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        #23
        Originally posted by them_apples
        a southpaw who doesn't give floyd any room will simple mess him up. He can't shoulder roll a straight left. If pacquiao makes him fight all night floyd will lose, nuff said.

        Pacquiao has the strength of hatton, the speed of judah and the workate of castillo. As long as pacquiao offensively assaults mayweather for 12 rounds he's got it in the bag. Non of this "controlled ring generalship" - a guy like pacquiao isn't going to be blinking every time mayweather feints, nor is he going to sit his ass down in the middle of the ring and let floyd touch his belly with his jab.

        I don't think floyd can take his punches and i'd be surprised if this fight goes 12 rounds.

        My reason being: Judah, a quick southpaw was fuqing him up for the first 5 rounds and it get's labelled as mayweather adapting. Wrong, it was all judah fading. He fades in all his fights. Pacquiao doesn't fade, and he's straight up better than judah. I mean, at least judah stayed in floyds comfort zone.

        Most floyd fans won't even read this and will conjure up some jargon explaining to me why i'm wrong, which if i am, will apologize.

        I think floyds only way to win is if he can somehow run and clinch effectively against a man as strong and as skilled pacquiao.
        good post....agree 100%.....war pacman!

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          #24
          Originally posted by them_apples
          yea true, i misread you. I've never seen Floyd let his hands go above 140. He's too defensive. by doing so he would be initiating a fight.
          floyd's not the type of fighter to just let his hands go. he waits for openings. i wish he would let his hands go more though, that would probley create more openings for him

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            #25
            Originally posted by them_apples
            A southpaw who doesn't give Floyd any room will simple mess him up. He can't shoulder roll a straight left. If Pacquiao makes him fight all night Floyd will lose, nuff said.

            Pacquiao has the strength of Hatton, the speed of Judah and the workate of Castillo. As long as Pacquiao offensively assaults Mayweather for 12 rounds he's got it in the bag. Non of this "controlled ring generalship" - A guy like Pacquiao isn't going to be blinking every time Mayweather feints, nor is he going to sit his ass down in the middle of the ring and Let Floyd touch his belly with his jab.

            I don't think Floyd can take his punches and I'd be surprised if this fight goes 12 rounds.

            my reason being: Judah, a quick southpaw was fuqing him up for the first 5 rounds and it get's labelled as Mayweather adapting. WRONG, it was all Judah fading. He fades in all his fights. Pacquiao doesn't fade, and he's straight up better than Judah. I mean, at least Judah stayed in Floyds comfort zone.

            Most Floyd fans won't even read this and will conjure up some jargon explaining to me why i'm wrong, which if I am, will apologize.

            I think Floyds only way to win is if he can somehow run and clinch effectively against a man as strong and as skilled Pacquiao.
            Wrong again by another Pac fan.

            I mean, I respect Pac and I truly believe he can beat Mayweather.

            But lets be real here,

            The only way any opponent against Mayweather will win is by outsmarting him in every department. Something which is hard for someone to do against Mayweather.

            None of this pressure stuff, because it's old already.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Sox8055
              Wrong again by another Pac fan.

              I mean, I respect Pac and I truly believe he can beat Mayweather.

              But lets be real here,

              The only way any opponent against Mayweather will win is by outsmarting him in every department. Something which is hard for someone to do against Mayweather.

              None of this pressure stuff, because it's old already.
              wrong again? Shame on you, I've been right for my last 4 predictions with him, he's yet to let me down. The only way to deal with Manny's style is to out fight him, to throw just as much leather back and to want it as bad as he does. There aren't any ATG's around to do this. If Shane was in his prime we might have an option, but he's 37.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Shadow boxer 3
                triangle theory ?? i just pointed out why jmm was effective against pac and floyd could use the same gameplan since he's also a counter puncher. and u dont know if floyd will throw 1 punch at a time or not against pac. floyd punches in combination when he chooses to.
                he always chooses never.

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                  #28
                  by pressure people, i don't mean running in headfirst like Hatton did.

                  Unorthodox pressure, and angles. Is how the Pacman is going to do it.

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                    #29
                    The shoulder roll doesnt mean anything. Thats why I think Floyd is the best defensive fighter ever because he's the only great defensive fighter that can switch his style from fight to fight or any point of the fight. Pea couldnt do that and guys like Toney, Winky, Hopkins never switch up. There style is there style. Gil wont use the Shoulder roll much in this fight. He will come out with the high guard.

                    To me thats going to give Pac hell. Floyd will already be by far the fastest guy Pac has ever fought and you times his speed by 10 when you talk about him having his hands already in front of his face. Floyd wont have much power with that stance because you never get to load up or **** back but he can throw a bunch of quick short punches that will snap Pac's head back and he wont see coming because Floyd's hands are already in front.

                    Trust me when I say that Floyd will let his hands go alot more in this fight because he's always more aggressive against Southpaws due to the way he holds his hands and Pac's aggression will give Floyd way more oppurtunities. People are crazy if they think Floyd will pot shot him. His hands are going to be ready at all times

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                    • them_apples
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by DLT
                      The shoulder roll doesnt mean anything. Thats why I think Floyd is the best defensive fighter ever because he's the only great defensive fighter that can switch his style from fight to fight or any point of the fight. Pea couldnt do that and guys like Toney, Winky, Hopkins never switch up. There style is there style. Gil wont use the Shoulder roll much in this fight. He will come out with the high guard.

                      To me thats going to give Pac hell. Floyd will already be by far the fastest guy Pac has ever fought and you times his speed by 10 when you talk about him having his hands already in front of his face. Floyd wont have much power with that stance because you never get to load up or **** back but he can throw a bunch of quick short punches that will snap Pac's head back and he wont see coming because Floyd's hands are already in front.

                      Trust me when I say that Floyd will let his hands go alot more in this fight because he's always more aggressive against Southpaws due to the way he holds his hands and Pac's aggression will give Floyd way more oppurtunities. People are crazy if they think Floyd will pot shot him. His hands are going to be ready at all times
                      that will be great if he get's aggressive, thats a sure way to get his ass taxed.

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