Poll: Pacquiao vs. Leonard in primes

[Motofan]

I usually skip over the trolls and blind nuthuggers, but this was a short thread so I read all the posts. My god are there some shameless morons out there!!

Amen. Im actually suprised by some of the comments.

[them_apples]

You fail to realize that Leonard purposely fought Duran toe to toe the first time.

If prime Leonard fights his own fight then he's unbeatable, not even Paul Williams could handle a prime Leonard(when he chooses to box).

not even Paul Williams? lol what are you smoking. Williams damn near got taxed by Martinez. Leonard would have Koed Williams and his lazy style probably in 4-5 rounds.

[miron_lang]

Fair enough. But Tommy Hearns was bigger than Ray, hit harder than Pac (imo) and was a better boxer and Ray still overcame him. Pac is great, but he really hasn't done enough at 147 to warrant this comparison in my opinion.

what the??? you're talking about 147 right? I said it already. There's no logical explanation. Leonard would kill Pacquiao god dammit. It's a mismatch

Leonard Kayoed Lalonde at 168. The biggest Pacquiao in the ring is only 148. Im sure Lenard was bigger than 148 in all of his professional fights.

Its not fair to match them. BUT.........IF they are the same size PAC ko's him. is that fair enough?

[them_apples]

what the??? you're talking about 147 right? I said it already. There's no logical explanation. Leonard would kill Pacquiao god dammit. It's a mismatch

Leonard Kayoed Lalonde at 168. The biggest Pacquiao in the ring is only 148. Im sure Lenard was bigger than 148 in all of his professional fights.

Its not fair to match them. BUT.........IF they are the same size PAC ko's him. is that fair enough?

that's not fair either though. Fighters in the lower weights have more energy, more speed, higher workrates and p4p better chins.

[BennyST]

Leonard by Ud. But still, you people are so rediculous when it comes to rating newer fighters.

Leonard lost to Duran, who was about Pacquiaos size and fought similarly (he was a tiny bit bigger, but not as quick). It's not like Leonard would dominate Pacquiao.

Pacquiao and Duran share very similar traits. Fast feet, tons of heart and a sneaky offense (lots of feints and head movement) .

There is one big difference. Duran was nearly impossible to hit with a jab at his best. Leonard wasn't able to tag him at all whereas Pac just doesn't have that good a defense and will take a lot of shots each fight. Asuming he's fighting someone good that is.

Not only that, but Duran is just a ****load better than Pac could ever be. Better offense, defense etc etc. Can you imagine the Duran of Leonard 1 against Pac? It would get brutal. Pac can't fight on the inside. Full stop. Leonard can and he would beat him both out and in.

I'm not saying it would be a domination but it wouldn't exactly be that hard for him either. Leonard would win it pretty easy. He's too big. That's what it comes down to. Leonard is a big ****ing WW and he is one of the greatest WW's ever.

[BennyST]

In reality. Leonard is too big god dammit he started at Welterweight and still competitive at 168. 147 is even a stretch for Pacquiao. Leonard by TKO


In Mythical p4p where they are the same size Pac by KO.

**** me! I'm glad one Pac fan has some sense. Seriously folks, anyone thinking Pac gets even close to beating Leonard is mad.

Mythical match up, I still think Leonard wins but it would be a great, close fight. At WW though, no chance.

[miron_lang]

that's not fair either though. Fighters in the lower weights have more energy, more speed, higher workrates and p4p better chins.

Well that's the way the cookie crumble

[them_apples]

There is one big difference. Duran was nearly impossible to hit with a jab at his best. Leonard wasn't able to tag him at all whereas Pac just doesn't have that good a defense and will take a lot of shots each fight. Asuming he's fighting someone good that is.

Not only that, but Duran is just a ****load better than Pac could ever be. Better offense, defense etc etc. Can you imagine the Duran of Leonard 1 against Pac? It would get brutal. Pac can't fight on the inside. Full stop. Leonard can and he would beat him both out and in.

I'm not saying it would be a domination but it wouldn't exactly be that hard for him either. Leonard would win it pretty easy. He's too big. That's what it comes down to. Leonard is a big ****ing WW and he is one of the greatest WW's ever.

Duran and Pacquiao both have there pros and cons. Duran isn't better at EVERYTHING like some of you are saying. He's got better defense, and he was very strong. Pacquiao is quicker, throws more and could arguably hit harder (I expect to get tons of heat for saying this). Even if you don't think he hits harder, he still got those blazing hands, feet and workrate, something that can't be ignored.

I think Pacquiao would lose because he's an outside fighter, where as Duran fought well on the inside, screwing up Leonards game.

Anyways, just my thoughts.

[miron_lang]

**** me! I'm glad one Pac fan has some sense. Seriously folks, anyone thinking Pac gets even close to beating Leonard is mad.

Mythical match up, I still think Leonard wins but it would be a great, close fight. At WW though, no chance.

*p4p premise


If Pac lands the left early. It would be a massacre and a TKO for Pacquiao. If later. late TKO in a very close fight.


Imagine a 5'9 74" reach Pacquiao. with the chin p4p speed and power.

IF the tiny Pacquiao is kayoing a Miguel Cotto type. A natural welter Pacquiao wil KO Michael Spinks

[BennyST]

what the??? you're talking about 147 right? I said it already. There's no logical explanation. Leonard would kill Pacquiao god dammit. It's a mismatch

Leonard Kayoed Lalonde at 168. The biggest Pacquiao in the ring is only 148. Im sure Lenard was bigger than 148 in all of his professional fights.

Its not fair to match them. BUT.........IF they are the same size PAC ko's him. is that fair enough?

Nah man. It might be close, and Pac might even win, though I very much doubt it, but, Leonard is not getting stopped. No way.

What in his career makes you think Leonard was stoppable? When did he get hurt badly by a shot? When has he been knocked down and struggled to make it up? Even against one of the hardest P4P punchers ever, who would be a harder guy to fight than Pac, he wasn't hurt. He took monstrous shots and kept coming.

People severely underestimate how tough Leonard was and what a huge heart he had. They think because he boxed and was pretty that he was not tough. You would struggle to find someone tougher, not named Ali, than Leonard. The guy was a beast in every way.

You might think Pac beats him but even P4P, there is just no way he would stop him. Uh Uh.

Hearns couldn't x 2, Duran couldn't, Hagler couldn't etc etc. It was only by the time he was 40 something and hadn't fought in however long that he was stopped. Pac wouldn't stop Leonard. He wouldn't beat him P4P either in fact. Bad style match up.