What now for Cotto? Cotto vs Chavez Jr in 2010?

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  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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    What now for Cotto? Cotto vs Chavez Jr in 2010?


    So the other night on the “GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT” talk show with HORUS we discussed in depth possible opponents for Miguel Cotto in June. I have given this some thought and presented an idea on having Cotto fight Yuri Foreman @ 154lbs for the WBA World light middleweight title in Madison Square Garden. Personally I think it would be a good move. Foreman got some exposure fighting on the undercard at “FIREPOWER” They are both TOP RANK promoted fighters so I don’t think making the fight would be too difficult. Foreman himself being a Brooklyn NY home based fighter fighting Cotto on the eve of the PR parade would definitely sell in the garden. The plus side for Cotto is he gets back in the ring with a name fighter, he gets a shot at another belt and for 154lb title holder Foreman only has 8 KO’s in 28 fights. So he is not the most heavy handed of opponents. This to me is exactly what Cotto needs right now. I honestly don’t want to see him in there against a no name at 147l. I think at least for now Cotto is done at 147. I can see him making a run at 154 or at least having the 2 fights he talked about in 2010. The one scenario that plays out in my mind is Cotto fighting Foreman in June and if he wins taking the WBA belt along with him. I can see Arum giving Chavez Jr his title shot against Cotto in late 2010. Call me crazy but I think this could be the way things lay out.

    Some might disagree with me about this but with the way things have took a turn of events I don’t see a bigger money fight for Cotto at 147 in 2010 right now. The way things look right now the winner of the Berto vs Mosely fight could get the winner of the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. I could see Cotto getting the loser of the Berto Mosley fight but if it were my choice I would not want to put him back in there with one of the wolves just yet. No knock on Foreman but I don’t rank him up there with the likes of Mosley and Berto skill wise nor does he have the punching power of either of those men. If you look back on Cotto run at 147 you will see he has not had too many easy fights. The champion has fought nothing but top contenders and other past or present champions. With eh exception of Michael Jennings. To me Bob Arum owes it to Miguel to give him a big money fight with less risk. His path to stardom has not come easily. To the people out there who say Cotto is done….I will say this I strongly disagree with that statement. I have read in some of the papers over from PR that he and his uncle had the falling out due to his lack of discipline. While he may not be Ricky Hatton packing on the extra pounds during or in between fights he has grown to earn the reputation of a man who likes to party some. This was singled out as one of the main reasons for many of the arguments between Cotto and his uncle.

    I have in the past praised Cotto in some of my threads and defended him on the forum. To me I think he has contributed to the sport a great deal over the past few years and gave us many exciting moments and a lot to talk about. With that being said 2010 would be an exciting year and a year where he could once again regain his confidence and earn himself another title in a third weight class. All while making a nice hefty pay check. We have seen threads and news articles where Chavez Jr has stated he is ready to make his title run in 2010. The Mexican fighter has been living off a name built up by the legendary fighter and his father Chavez Sr. He has a record of 41-0 with 30 KO’s. Respectively and although I might get some slack for it I will say it is a padded 41-0 with names like Rowland, Vanda, Cuello and LeHouller as his past 4 opponents. He has only scored one TKO in his last four fights and in his most recent fight made it look a lot harder than it needed to be. I give him the fact he was fighting at 160 rather than his usual 154 weight class. That being said he was given the opportunity to shine fighting on the FIRE PWER card and to me he blew it. As Money is known for saying if it don’t make dollars then it doesn’t make sense. To me Cotto could take on someone in the 147lb division and try to make another run at a title. Maybe get himself a rematch with Mosley if he losses to Berto. He might even be able to get the winner of that fight in 2010 especially if it is Berto. I don’t see him getting a fight with Floyd or a rematch with Pacquiao. To me to have him have two more fights and not go ut with a title and a money fight is meaningless and he might as well retire now if that si the case. As GG said on the call Wednesday night sometimes we have to save these fighters from themselves. Cotto is a blood and guts warrior and this makes sense. For Chavez Jr he will get his chance at a title and to prove himself against a real opponent. Cotto will get a chance to redeem himself and the big money fight he deserves. To me this is one scenario that makes dollars and perfect sense…..Lefty

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    Chavez Jr would never take that fight, I don't think Chavez Sr likes Ricans much because of all the **** Camacho talked and daddy knows Jr would get annihilated.

    Cotto Vs. Angulo would be a better fight but Cotto would really have nothing to gain from that fight since Angulo already lost to Cintron.

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    • savorduhflavor
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      Great post Lefty.

      I just don't think a Chavez Jr. fight is possible. While Chavez has a padded record, and definitely needs to step up the competition, there really is no rush.

      He still sells a ton of tickets fighting bums, and makes Arum a ton of money. Arum is not going to sacrifice Chavez Jr. a young guy with a future(albeit, not a bright one) to Cotto, a guy on the way out. It just doesn't make much business sense.

      I think he needs a tune up, but not a Jenning type tune up. I'd like to see him vs. a Collazo or someone like that, than go for a title.

      Or, if possible, a Hatton fight would be ideal for him. That's a big exposure, and money fight that would be a fairly easy nights work.

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        After losing the Pac fight he doesn't have a lot of big options. A Mosely rematch would be acceptable.

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        • LEFTYGUNZZ
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          Originally posted by savorduhflavor
          Great post Lefty.

          I just don't think a Chavez Jr. fight is possible. While Chavez has a padded record, and definitely needs to step up the competition, there really is no rush.

          He still sells a ton of tickets fighting bums, and makes Arum a ton of money. Arum is not going to sacrifice Chavez Jr. a young guy with a future(albeit, not a bright one) to Cotto, a guy on the way out. It just doesn't make much business sense.

          I think he needs a tune up, but not a Jenning type tune up. I'd like to see him vs. a Collazo or someone like that, than go for a title.

          Or, if possible, a Hatton fight would be ideal for him. That's a big exposure, and money fight that would be a fairly easy nights work.
          While I resepct you opinon I tend to disagree since I think Cahvez Sr would want and probably thinks his son can handle this type of challenge. A mexican vs a PR is always going to sell and could be a mega fighti in 2010 for PPV sells and tickets sales. It would depend on teh venue and where they had the fight. If they had it in Mexico they would sell mucho tickets. Even if Chavez Jr losses to Cotto he can go back to fighting bums and selling lots of tickets in Mexico the way he is now....Lefty

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          • Bushbaby
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            Yori Foreman would be an awesome choice because he won't pressure Cotto & doesn't hit too hard for him to deal with,although Foreman will be alot bigger!!Chavez jr would be a good choice as well,because quite frankly,he isn't as good as his record might advise!!

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            • Mr. Fantastic
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              Good Tune up for Cotto. Chavez Jr. is a fraud.

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              • Nuurzhaelan
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                Great posts, Lefty. Maybe Cotto's path should be at 154. I do not want to see him take easy fights and earn a bad reputation for that but I do not want to see him get hurt either. If he has not lost the edge (or can recover it) and gets a good coach, perhaps he can make another run. I do not think honest fans can pick apart his resume as it stands, though. I am very happy with what we have in Cotto now, but if he goes farther I hope he does so with the same professionalism that he has shown in the past.

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                • LEFTYGUNZZ
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                  Originally posted by cruzan mario
                  Yori Foreman would be an awesome choice because he won't pressure Cotto & doesn't hit too hard for him to deal with,although Foreman will be alot bigger!!Chavez jr would be a good choice as well,because quite frankly,he isn't as good as his record might advise!!
                  I also think they are both easy made fights since all three fighters are with TOP RANK uncle Bob would like to keep it in the family. Yori Foreman is not the cream of the crop atr 154 but very formidable with his 28-0 record. he brings his WBA title to the table. Like said he is not going to pressure Cotto and will allow Cotto to come forward and fight his style of fighting. As said by my buddy Crills "styles make fights u understand" This match up stlye wise favors Cotto. Cotto although he would be the smaller man would be the mor epowerful man. Chavez jr would be a money fight. As I said before a PR vs a Mexican in Mexico would sell out the arena. Chavez is not as good as his record says he is but non the less it would be BIG $$$....Lefty

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                  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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                    Originally posted by Nuurzhaelan
                    Great posts, Lefty. Maybe Cotto's path should be at 154. I do not want to see him take easy fights and earn a bad reputation for that but I do not want to see him get hurt either. If he has not lost the edge (or can recover it) and gets a good coach, perhaps he can make another run. I do not think honest fans can pick apart his resume as it stands, though. I am very happy with what we have in Cotto now, but if he goes farther I hope he does so with the same professionalism that he has shown in the past.
                    The fact that he would be fighting in the 154lb weight class and he is not that tall of a man would be hard. Especially if he fights on past the two fights I suggested. if he does that or what I posted in 2010 and recovers his confidence and has a title and two wins in a row he could make or put himself in a harder MEGA fight in 2011 against Martinez or Williams. Clottey would be at 154 and so would Cintron. These are allpossibilites as well but for now I think the two fights I suggested would be where Cotto should be for his next two matches. These types of fights. he has had a run of matches where he has been in there with straight killers Judah, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey and Pacquiao. he needs a 2 fight period to recover his moxy and pardon me for saying make some easy money....Lefty

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