What now for Cotto? Cotto vs Chavez Jr in 2010?

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  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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    #11
    Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
    The fact that he would be fighting in the 154lb weight class and he is not that tall of a man would be hard. Especially if he fights on past the two fights I suggested. if he does that or what I posted in 2010 and recovers his confidence and has a title and two wins in a row he could make or put himself in a harder MEGA fight in 2011 against Martinez or Williams. Clottey would be at 154 and so would Cintron. These are allpossibilites as well but for now I think the two fights I suggested would be where Cotto should be for his next two matches. These types of fights. he has had a run of matches where he has been in there with straight killers Judah, Mosley, Margarito, Clottey and Pacquiao. he needs a 2 fight period to recover his moxy and pardon me for saying make some easy money....Lefty
    No one else has any comments suggestions?....Lefty

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    • rob6465
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      I say cotto fight winner of berto vs mosley and then if he wins that fight then fight yuri. If he can win both fights that will have gained him 2 more belts and solidify his career with only 2 loses. 1 to a known cheater and 2 to a great champ, not bad for a career resume.
      Last edited by rob6465; 12-11-2009, 11:21 AM.

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      • el malo
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        #13
        Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
        No one else has any comments suggestions?....Lefty
        i agree totally foreman then chavez jr. at 154. i think that would be the best thing he can do. fighting at 154 he wont have to cut so much weight. he can focus more on game planing and working on flaws and bad habits instead of making weight.

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        • Shattered Jaw
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          #14
          So long as it's not Angulo then Cotto will be fine. That guy is an animal.

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          • LEFTYGUNZZ
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            #15
            Originally posted by elmalo29
            i agree totally foreman then chavez jr. at 154. i think that would be the best thing he can do. fighting at 154 he wont have to cut so much weight. he can focus more on game planing and working on flaws and bad habits instead of making weight.
            I agree cutting weight can be a huge problem for him. He might be much stronger at 154 I thought he was much stronger at 147 than he was at 140.

            Originally posted by Shattered Jaw
            So long as it's not Angulo then Cotto will be fine. That guy is an animal.
            El Perro is a sim fighter to Tony The Cement Mixer Margacheato...Cotto does not do well against guys who won't let him come forward. As soon as he is fighting backing up he has problems. So based upon my man Crills "styles make fights u understand" theroy I say you are correct and I agree.....Leftyy

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              #16
              Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ

              So the other night on the “GET UR FACTS STRAIGHT” talk show with HORUS we discussed in depth possible opponents for Miguel Cotto in June. I have given this some thought and presented an idea on having Cotto fight Yuri Foreman @ 154lbs for the WBA World light middleweight title in Madison Square Garden. Personally I think it would be a good move. Foreman got some exposure fighting on the undercard at “FIREPOWER” They are both TOP RANK promoted fighters so I don’t think making the fight would be too difficult. Foreman himself being a Brooklyn NY home based fighter fighting Cotto on the eve of the PR parade would definitely sell in the garden. The plus side for Cotto is he gets back in the ring with a name fighter, he gets a shot at another belt and for 154lb title holder Foreman only has 8 KO’s in 28 fights. So he is not the most heavy handed of opponents. This to me is exactly what Cotto needs right now. I honestly don’t want to see him in there against a no name at 147l. I think at least for now Cotto is done at 147. I can see him making a run at 154 or at least having the 2 fights he talked about in 2010. The one scenario that plays out in my mind is Cotto fighting Foreman in June and if he wins taking the WBA belt along with him. I can see Arum giving Chavez Jr his title shot against Cotto in late 2010. Call me crazy but I think this could be the way things lay out.

              Some might disagree with me about this but with the way things have took a turn of events I don’t see a bigger money fight for Cotto at 147 in 2010 right now. The way things look right now the winner of the Berto vs Mosely fight could get the winner of the Pacquiao vs Mayweather fight. I could see Cotto getting the loser of the Berto Mosley fight but if it were my choice I would not want to put him back in there with one of the wolves just yet. No knock on Foreman but I don’t rank him up there with the likes of Mosley and Berto skill wise nor does he have the punching power of either of those men. If you look back on Cotto run at 147 you will see he has not had too many easy fights. The champion has fought nothing but top contenders and other past or present champions. With eh exception of Michael Jennings. To me Bob Arum owes it to Miguel to give him a big money fight with less risk. His path to stardom has not come easily. To the people out there who say Cotto is done….I will say this I strongly disagree with that statement. I have read in some of the papers over from PR that he and his uncle had the falling out due to his lack of discipline. While he may not be Ricky Hatton packing on the extra pounds during or in between fights he has grown to earn the reputation of a man who likes to party some. This was singled out as one of the main reasons for many of the arguments between Cotto and his uncle.

              I have in the past praised Cotto in some of my threads and defended him on the forum. To me I think he has contributed to the sport a great deal over the past few years and gave us many exciting moments and a lot to talk about. With that being said 2010 would be an exciting year and a year where he could once again regain his confidence and earn himself another title in a third weight class. All while making a nice hefty pay check. We have seen threads and news articles where Chavez Jr has stated he is ready to make his title run in 2010. The Mexican fighter has been living off a name built up by the legendary fighter and his father Chavez Sr. He has a record of 41-0 with 30 KO’s. Respectively and although I might get some slack for it I will say it is a padded 41-0 with names like Rowland, Vanda, Cuello and LeHouller as his past 4 opponents. He has only scored one TKO in his last four fights and in his most recent fight made it look a lot harder than it needed to be. I give him the fact he was fighting at 160 rather than his usual 154 weight class. That being said he was given the opportunity to shine fighting on the FIRE PWER card and to me he blew it. As Money is known for saying if it don’t make dollars then it doesn’t make sense. To me Cotto could take on someone in the 147lb division and try to make another run at a title. Maybe get himself a rematch with Mosley if he losses to Berto. He might even be able to get the winner of that fight in 2010 especially if it is Berto. I don’t see him getting a fight with Floyd or a rematch with Pacquiao. To me to have him have two more fights and not go ut with a title and a money fight is meaningless and he might as well retire now if that si the case. As GG said on the call Wednesday night sometimes we have to save these fighters from themselves. Cotto is a blood and guts warrior and this makes sense. For Chavez Jr he will get his chance at a title and to prove himself against a real opponent. Cotto will get a chance to redeem himself and the big money fight he deserves. To me this is one scenario that makes dollars and perfect sense…..Lefty

              Lefty wats good bro, good post. before anything though I played back the show that night and it originally sounded as if I thought Chavez Jr would walk thru Cotto, I just want to clear the air and leave it known that I don't see Chavez Jr even being competitive, with Cotto's head movement, experience and body work Chavez Jr wont hang, my main question was why for Cotto, I don't think Cotto would lose at all in fact I think he will hurt his body worse than Shane to Plastercheato but for them 2 to fight don't make sense, it can happen but why

              honestly I still don't know you feel me, Chavez Jr is on a completely different war path than Cotto and will most likely be a Middleweight, they got plans for him against Duddy ya know it's just not a fight Cotto should take IMO. I can take Foreman just for a 154 strap but Chavez Jr? that is all risk no reward imo for Cotto, he stands at no real gain. I think his best option is if he can't get the winner of Mosley-Berto in his next fight he should take on the loser and let the winner get his $$$ fight and then fight that winner, if Shane beat Berto then fight Berto and then go fight the winner of whoever fights after that..

              I guess in a nutshell if there isn't a respected title on the line or if it isn't a heavily notable name he shouldn't even fight again, at such a late stage in his career it's maybe not the best move to move up and risk more punishment, his mind is already set to retirement(I saw an interview this morning with him saying 2 more then no more) so why move up and face a whole new pool of adversity, a new stable of fighters calling you out? he should take on the winner of Jan 31 st while Floyd-Manny goes down and both winners can face off, I would really like that..

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                #17
                Originally posted by mrpain81
                Chavez Jr would never take that fight, I don't think Chavez Sr likes Ricans much because of all the **** Camacho talked and daddy knows Jr would get annihilated.

                Cotto Vs. Angulo would be a better fight but Cotto would really have nothing to gain from that fight since Angulo already lost to Cintron.
                c'mon man...that **** Camacho was talkin wasn't personal...Chavez and Camacho actually partied in Mexico after the fight....why would Chavez HATE Ricans because of one fighter talking ****....???

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by ChiRock773
                  c'mon man...that **** Camacho was talkin wasn't personal...Chavez and Camacho actually partied in Mexico after the fight....why would Chavez HATE Ricans because of one fighter talking ****....???
                  In the real world I have no doubt's that Chavez has nothing against Ricans but inside the Boxing ring he gets hard every time a Mexican fighters beats a Rican. I guess it's the rivalry that's been going on for so long, that's the reason I don't think he would like that fight against Cotto unless he was sure his son would win.

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                  • LEFTYGUNZZ
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by mrpain81
                    In the real world I have no doubt's that Chavez has nothing against Ricans but inside the Boxing ring he gets hard every time a Mexican fighters beats a Rican. I guess it's the rivalry that's been going on for so long, that's the reason I don't think he would like that fight against Cotto unless he was sure his son would win.

                    BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ can change peoples minds.....I think if Cotto came back and beat Yuri Foreman in NY on the EVE of the PR parade and then was matched up with Chavez Jr after he wins his next bout it would make major $$$$$$.....Lefty

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by LEFTYGUNZZ
                      BIG $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ can change peoples minds.....I think if Cotto came back and beat Yuri Foreman in NY on the EVE of the PR parade and then was matched up with Chavez Jr after he wins his next bout it would make major $$$$$$.....Lefty
                      That's absolutely true since I know Chavez Sr has a lot of hate towards DLH but he had no problem doing that fight and there's no doubt JR would have got ****ed up there.

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