Good Post on Roach, Pac and Roids.

[jrosales13]

Why do you think fighters like Floyd, Marquez, Corrales, Hatton just to name a few all seemed to have trouble in thier own way while moving up in weight, but Pac has gotten only stronger and faster?

What about Henry Armstrong did he have trouble moving up in weight?

Barbados Joe Walcott was 5'2 Knocking Mofo's out at WW. How could he do that?

What about Jimmy Wilde only weighing 100lbs and KOing 20 men who weight over 200lbs.

I mean bro this is nothing new. This has been done before. To accuse a man cuz of what he has accomplished without any proof is just wrong bro. Anyway you look at it.

[tesla_power]

SOOOO, the defense is ten "true, but's"?

Gotcha.

I'm deciding to roll with DiBella on this. I don't know if Pacquiao is using. But there is something fishy, and it is appropriate to ask questions. I don't know if he is using.

I'm not against asking questions but it should be in a proper forum. Basically, putting this in an informal internet forum, then posters would naturally refute it. If done in court or a proper email to NSAC, then it would mean serious business. As on now, this are opinions of Floyd Sr., Paulie, Cintron, Dibella, random posters, etc.

I have no problem arguing in an internet forum though. It is for entertainment and nothing more than that.

[MARKBNLV]

He acheived a lot in a very short time, so people will have there doubts in this day and age of steroid scandals,i mean how long ago was it that shane mosley was busted and various other athletes inside and outside of boxing people will naturally have there doubts.I personally think he is clean and for the sport i pray that he is clean.

[jrosales13]

I'm neither, I've watched enough of Mayweather to tell you this.

I have watched enough of Mayweather to know that it will not be shocking that he is. Or that Pac is.

[Doctor_Tenma]

I have watched enough of Mayweather to know that it will not be shocking that he is. Or that Pac is.

We all have our opinions

[jrosales13]

Surprised:
Williams
mayweather
martinez
cintron
bradley
cotto

not surprised:
Pacquiao
Berto
Mosley again
donaire
guzman
Urango

Why wouldn't you be surprised if Cintron or Bradley is doing it but would be on Donaire?

[TopContender]

Until he tested positive, was there a single - EVEN ONE - link to Sammy Sosa and roids?

Other than a "mountain of circumstantial evidence", why is Scott Peterson on death row?

IIRC Sosa never actually tested positive for roids. Unless it was leaked in those supposedly confidential tests like A-Rod was. It just became so blatantly obvious that he did when he all of a sudden forgot how to speak English at the congressional hearing. Also, it was baseball. Pretty much every great power player in the '90s is tarnished because it's become apparent that the majority of them were juicing. Boxing isn't at that level where you can really just assume someone is juicing, and if it ever got to that level, everyone would be under the microscope, not just Pacquiao. I don't know enough about the Scott Peterson case to comment on that.

[DLT]

I will say this. If you are just talking about personality or the straight person then I would say that I would never suspect Pac if using roids. He is so unlikely. In that way he is more unlikely than even Floyd. However, I also think Pac is a bit of a yes man and I think its possible that it could be one of those situations where Ariza & team are doing something with thoes "supplements" that he could know or suspect is wrong but he doesnt want to know or want to suspect is wrong. I dont trust Ariza or Grahm at all. Grahm was already in trouble with stuff before.

I dont take supplements right now but Ive takened them before. Straight stuff but no roids. Even with that, what really got me wondering about Pac was when Senior was 1st talking about it. I didnt even pay any attention to it because I knew he was just yapping & Pac would never do it. I never even gave it one thought. Then here comes the interview with Ariza and he calls Senior crazy and then starts talking about a bunch of supplements that he gives Pac. Thats what truly 1st got me thinking. I thought it was such a weird answer. Like why would you talk about that? It sounded like something that someone would say when they are trying to hide something.

All he had to do was rip on Senior and said that there is no way Pac is juicing. Yet he says that Pac is not juicing but he's taking this this and that? Its like answering something that you didnt ask him about. Thats what guilty people do. I honestly just dont trust Ariza giving Pac supplements and him having guys around who were banned from Olympics for the stuff. Its weird. All that other stuff that people say dont really matter to me but thats the main thing. I think even Roach could suspect Ariza & company of doing something but the results are so good that he doesnt want to know or ask and he doesnt want to insult people because it may not be true but what if it is?

I also never buy the fact that a team member knows but the athelte doesnt but in this case I would buy the fact that Ariza & team may be mixing some things on there own and just giving it to Pac without him knowing. He probably dont even know **** about supplements. He's just taking whatever they give him but what are they giving him? I could see them giving him something that 90 percent legit but just putting 10 percent of some non legit stuff in with it. Again though, I could see everything also being 100% straight and I give everyone the benefit of doubt. I truly dont beleive that Pac & Roach are the type to go out looking for stuff or an edge but that doesnt stop others and it doesnt stop Roach & Pac from not knowing at all or maybe knowing but not wanting to know

[shogunn]

Why do you think fighters like Floyd, Marquez, Corrales, Hatton just to name a few all seemed to have trouble in thier own way while moving up in weight, but Pac has gotten only stronger and faster?

1) New approach to Mannys training to move to 147 to fight ODLH. Ariza, meal plan, training regiment, etc. New methods such as training fast twitch muscles and H.I.I.T. NFL players pay big bucks for these types of training Methods and trainers. Polamalu has Mirer, tomlinson has Todd Durkin. Manny has Ariza. Ariza has a team watching over Manny's training. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/...ame=rafael_dan

While others werent as successful, Marquez drank his own urine and quail eggs???



2) Mannys better

[tesla_power]

Why do you think fighters like Floyd, Marquez, Corrales, Hatton just to name a few all seemed to have trouble in thier own way while moving up in weight, but Pac has gotten only stronger and faster?

I do not really know why. But Cotto, IMO, is a better fighter at 147 than 140. Yes pac appears faster (IMO, he is slowing down a little) and stronger ( IMO, not really but you could easily make your case ).

My opinion
Power -- he already have that in the lower weights
Speed -- he already have that in the lower weights
Volume punching -- same reason
Stamina -- same reason

What is the only noticeable difference is the right hand, his more controlled aggression, and better boxing skills. I do not really notice the head size or hand size as most poster who opined he is a steroid user. So I'm sticking with my opinion. If he came out positive in some drug checks, I will crap on him too.

As of now, pac has the benefit of the doubt unless proven otherwise.