Good Post on Roach, Pac and Roids.

[Doctor_Tenma]

What about you bro cuz DLT was full of **** with his answer. Would you be shocked if Mayweather was on steroids/HGH? Be honest...

Mayweather has declined in movement, hand speed, activity and has also lost some pop. The decline in all this was more noticeable on his move up to WW from Jr WW. We're talking about a guy who doesn't throw that many punches, my answer is...I'd be shocked.

[tesla_power]

1. Pac is a devastating puncher at 130 and below. Only in the Hatton fight did he demonstrate a one-shot KO/KD. The rest are accumulation shots or catching Cotto lunging/off-balance. KO Tua??? WTF!!!
2. Jmm caught Pac offbalance and jumping back. A great combo to be sure but it did not hurt pac that much. He shook it off. The cotto fight only proves that he has a great chin. He got hurt but he just pretended not be. Proof : Pac said so ... plus a cauliflower ear.
3. Cannot comment. No idea. A link to such a story would be great. thanks. Does this mean all fighter training at WC is suspect?
4. Toney but I could not recall any other fighter. This reason would make all Roach trained fighters suspect.
5. Eh! Does this mean Roach's acquaintances is also suspect?
6. Widespread observation. Did anyone really compare his head or hand size? I mean a real scientific measurement not subjective photographic impressions.
7. He is an outlier but no means is he the only one. Check out Mark Jason Melligen. Pinoy WW boxer. Roughly the same size.
8. One-in-a-million is a subjective observation. But given that odds, it would be right. How many Pacquiao-type fighters do we see today?
9. Pbf's record on 5 division title reign with no losses is also too good to be true. Does that mean he is a roider?
10. hahaha. Great reason. China is going to be very angry with him. Anyways, yes PI have lots of nurses. But their main reason is for work abroad for the $$$. Asian RIM is too big. If you randomly pick 1 Asian out of the "RIM", chances are you would also get 1-in-a-20 million chance he is a roider.

This are all circumstantial evidences. He should have mentioned that he is a right-brained type of guys considering his statements.

[tudedude]

Roffles.



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big deal I typo'd elementary. It's still weak sauce arguments where when you look at it point by point, falls apart because they're based on fallacious reasonings or facts...like the poster above has just done.

[barafranca]

Enough !! Floyd, Like his father, is clean

[DLT]

Dont get upset with me on the roid talk. I already said I dont think he's using and even moreso, I just dont want to beleive he's using. Truthfully, it never crossed my mind because I think he's that good and when it was brought up, I still didnt beleive it. The only time I really started thinking about it more was when people brought up some facts about some guys that are around him.

Again though, I dont want to beleive it because it changes history so much. Just like I hate the Margarito stuff. Did he use them against Cotto? I beleive so. If so then who knows how good Cotto couldve been if he didnt take that beating? Was it just Cotto? Did he also ruin Cintron and did he use it against Williams & Clottey? I just think that screws up everything and ruins guys careers so I dont want it to be true.

Also, Im the guy who always takes up for the pros because I think they tend to get a bad rap from fans. I always take up for atheletes when it comes to roids and say that its not fair to assume they do it when there is no proof at all. I would hate for someone to do that to me so Ill take Pac by his word until its proven otherwise

[jrosales13]

Mayweather has declined in movement, hand speed, activity and has also lost some pop. The decline in all this was more noticeable on his move up to WW from Jr WW. We're talking about a guy who doesn't throw that many punches, my answer is...I'd be shocked.

Especially in this day and age? Would you be shocked if Pac was using? Be honest.

[Kalion]

1) Paul Williams is more overrated than ever.
2) He looks like the indian dude from Street Fighter.
3) He falls down like a twig.
4) Martinez really won.

You are funny. Green K.

[DLT]

What are you talking about? Does Barry Bonds ring a bell?

He could be using to remain undefeated?

Roy Jones was #1 in the sport when he got busted?

Floyd is really good friends who with people who been accused of using (50 cent)

So how is Floyd the least likeliest to be on it? I mean is not out of the question that he is using. That makes no sense you just being a hater/nuthugger.

Bonds? I think even the people who hate Bonds and think he should be banned and so on, all say that they think he started using because he was at 1 time the best in the sport and then all these average guys started blowing past him and blowing all his numbers out the water. Thats what I mean by reasons. He had a legit reason. I mean Kobe doesnt have a reason now but if all of assudden guys like Trevor Ariza started averaging 40ppg and so on then it could start to make Kobe think. Thats what happened to Bonds. Didnt RJ use the roids when he was moving up to HW in one swoop? A massive jump in weight? Thats a real reason. Floyd never did that. And 50 cent? Come on now. Floyd will use roids because 50 did it and turned him on to it? Thats funny

[Doctor_Tenma]

Especially in this day and age? Would you be shocked if Pac was using? Be honest.

Honestly, No. Pacquiao and Mayweather have had an opposite effect when moving up. That's not to be an *******, only my honest answer.

[jrosales13]

Dont get upset with me on the roid talk. I already said I dont think he's using and even moreso, I just dont want to beleive he's using. Truthfully, it never crossed my mind because I think he's that good and when it was brought up, I still didnt beleive it. The only time I really started thinking about it more was when people brought up some facts about some guys that are around him.

Again though, I dont want to beleive it because it changes history so much. Just like I hate the Margarito stuff. Did he use them against Cotto? I beleive so. If so then who knows how good Cotto couldve been if he didnt take that beating? Was it just Cotto? Did he also ruin Cintron and did he use it against Williams & Clottey? I just think that screws up everything and ruins guys careers so I dont want it to be true.

Also, Im the guy who always takes up for the pros because I think they tend to get a bad rap from fans. I always take up for atheletes when it comes to roids and say that its not fair to assume they do it when there is no proof at all. I would hate for someone to do that to me so Ill take Pac by his word until its proven otherwise

All I am saying is to say that you will be shocked if Floyd was using and not be shocked if Pac was using. Is just being a pure hater/nuthugger. If you was really unbiased. You would be shocked for both or for neither. To pick one or the other is just having a double standard. And, again Floyd is really good friends with people who have had steroid allegations. So why not question that friendship?