So where does RJ rank in the GOAT rankings

[$partacus]

Jones had the ability to be a top 10 ATG, but protecting his 0 cost him and i would probably rate him in the 40's or 50's.

[Super_Lightweight]

I stand by my statement, however the guy who said he could beat any heavy must be high on cough syrup.

No one said that. Scroll up, brother.

However, he is one of the few who didn't face the best competition often in his prime.

He faced the best that were willing and reasonable. And there are plenty of great fighters who were accused of ducking the best or having weak resumes...Marciano, Floyd, Lewis to name a few. You can't even face the 'best' competition 'often' because the best, by definition, are a select few. There aren't enough 'greats' available to even be fought 'frequently'.

Only Roy Jones is allowed to be judged on one portion of his career.

1993-2003 is a pretty damn big 'portion'.

[miron_lang]

...used to post here very frequently. Stopped over a year ago or so. Everyone knew me as Roy's fan, so I'll leave me hermitage for this.

Danny Green did not beat Roy Jones. Joe Calzaghe did not beat Roy Jones. Glen Johnson did not beat Roy Jones.

Watch 'Roy' post 2004 and watch him against Hopkins, Toney, Griffin, Woods, etc when he was a strutter.

One version of the man was clearly better.

Those who want to argue Roy is not one of the best ever, and who only use Roy's losses post-Ruiz to make their case, may know a bit about baseball. But not boxing. Cleverer opponents will use Roy's resume pre-2004 against him, but still know Roy was untouchable (in any reasonable sense of the word) until 6-7 years ago.

Roy Jones, in and near his prime, could potentially beat anyone, including most heavyweights.

Period.

OMG That's BIG NEWS!!!

Who is that man? a clone?

[$partacus]

OMG That's BIG NEWS!!!

Who is that man? a clone?

Is was his secret twin brother, his name is China Jones.

[Vasyl’s dad]

No one said that. Scroll up, brother.



He faced the best that were willing and reasonable. And there are plenty of great fighters who were accused of ducking the best or having weak resumes...Marciano, Floyd, Lewis to name a few. You can't even face the 'best' competition 'often' because the best, by definition, are a select few. There aren't enough 'greats' available to even be fought 'frequently'.



1993-2003 is a pretty damn big 'portion'.

Sorry guy, your theory about facing the best who were willing was nullified just today.


1993-2003 is just one portion, not his entire career, which every other fighter is judged on.



I can easily say,
"Julio Cesar Chavez was unbeatable in his prime and would beat anyone current or past". and there isn't any way you could argue it seeing as he never lost until he was past 30.

But people don't say that to defend him because its just ******. He did in fact have a career beyond his best years, won some and lost some. But you just don't see Chavez fans making that distinction because its completely unrealistic.

Again, many fighters have great primes and are unbeatable,

but thats just one phase of their career.


In reality, you get judged for your entire body of work, not just one.


Its true, Roy Jones stans are indeed some of the worst ever.

Always, and I mean always,

an excuse.

[jrosales13]

If anything he is becoming underrated quickly with these unnecessary losses.

When you start saying that in his prime he was very close to unbeatable and when other people are saying he is in the top 25 all time, or even before the Green people were saying he could beat Hopkins even though he was shot already... See that is overrating him...

[jrosales13]

No one said that. Scroll up, brother.



He faced the best that were willing and reasonable. And there are plenty of great fighters who were accused of ducking the best or having weak resumes...Marciano, Floyd, Lewis to name a few. You can't even face the 'best' competition 'often' because the best, by definition, are a select few. There aren't enough 'greats' available to even be fought 'frequently'.



1993-2003 is a pretty damn big 'portion'.

What Lewis are you talking about?

[Super_Lightweight]

Sorry guy, your theory about facing the best who were willing was nullified just today.

Uhh, what? This makes no sense.

1993-2003 is just one portion, not his entire career, which every other fighter is judged on.

Uhh, what? Who judges Ali on his loss to Berbick? If you do, stop rating him as the best heavyweight ever. I bet you think Jose Luis Castillo's loss to Lujaun Simon meant something too.

I can easily say,
"Julio Cesar Chavez was unbeatable in his prime and would beat anyone current or past". and there isn't any way you could argue it seeing as he never lost until he was past 30.

Is that what you want to say? If so, that's your issue. Your statement is not parrarel to what I said of Roy. If I made a case against Chavez, it certainly wouldn't be based on meaningless De La Hoya fights or worse, Grover Wiley or whatever losers Julio lost to as an elder man.

[Super_Lightweight]

When you start saying that in his prime he was very close to unbeatable and when other people are saying he is in the top 25 all time, or even before the Green people were saying he could beat Hopkins even though he was shot already... See that is overrating him...

I simply disagree, because I remember who Roy is, the real Roy. Either way, I never post here anymore so I don't know what people were saying about Jones-Green before it happened. Seemed they were thinking Green would lose like a bum, which was silly and what I'd expect from fans who watch more message boards than they do boxing matches. Roy's loss was on paper wasn't unpredictable.

And the Lewis I'm speaking of is Lennox. His resume is pretty good but there are cases to be made in some instances that he ducked a couple people. I don't care to make the case since Lennox was one of the best...no fun to watch really but still the best for a period.

[jrosales13]

Why do you say that? is it because he started losing when he was past his prime. Ray Leonard getting stopped by Camacho is far more embarassing than Roy Jones losses. In in prime Roy demolishes the fighters of the past or current at his weight class or close to that you have in front of him.

I say that cuz is true. Fact is Roy never won the lineal championship in not one weight class that he fought in. Never ever won one. Which means he never fought the #1 guy in none of the weightclasses he fought in... And, my question is why? And, if a fighter never fought the #1 guy then what makes him so great?