"Two of the sport's "good guys" are cheaters!"

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[GG Marquez]

Yes, I understand that but don't you notice these athletes needed a labaratory to get the drugs. We need to find if Packy is connected in anyway with a pharmaceutical company. I can totally understand cycling the drug but we have yet to find evidence that Packy uses an active, untraceable drug when he's actually in the ring.

Not necessarily.

1) Remember that the Mets' trainer was the one getting the drugs for a bunch of clients. You can connect to a laboratory...or just to "a guy".

2) The benefit is for training. When you train longer/harder and recover from injuries better, that makes you better on fight night.

I have no idea if Manny is using.

[GG Marquez]

Oh, I'm aware sir. I'm just saying that Toney was already well established at that point and had been a top P4P fighter and would not be considered Roach's "pupil".

Wasn't it during that period that Toney put on weight and became an effective heavyweight with a strong chin?

Side note: i consider any fighter, no matter how experienced as "the pupil". Just semantics, I guess.

[IMDAZED]

Wasn't it during that period that Toney put on weight and became an effective heavyweight with a strong chin?

Side note: i consider any fighter, no matter how experienced as "the pupil". Just semantics, I guess.

Freddie Roach pisses me off. I can think of a few fighters he's had off the top of my head who looked like heavy users - not to mention Toney being caught TWICE. Are we supposed to believe he just sticks his head in the sand?

[GG Marquez]

Freddie Roach pisses me off. I can think of a few fighters he's had off the top of my head who looked like heavy users - not to mention Toney being caught TWICE. Are we supposed to believe he just sticks his head in the sand?

1) How is Tiger Woods gonna come up with $164?

2) I don't know why Freddie never spoke up about Toney's steroid abuse.

[IMDAZED]

1) How is Tiger Woods gonna come up with $164?

2) I don't know why Freddie never spoke up about Toney's steroid abuse.

Remember when they asked him about Manny allegedly using? The first thing out of his mouth was, "I don't THINK so." WTF?!?!? Then all of a sudden he has heart and wants to sue. Give me a break. If anyone's using, they aren't going to get caught. And Tiger will be fine, BTW.