Gamblers Advisory;Dwyer: Mayweather-Pacquiao Prediction

[jrosales13]

Yeah, I guess were all deluded.

MOST people thought he won both fights. Get over it. I watched the second fight w/ philipinos and before they announced the scores they were all dejected thinking Packy lost. I have that **** on tape.

When they announced the decision they ****in' lost their minds cuz' they were so surprised. Packy looked like a beaten man in both fights, but especially in that second fight. He didn't think he won.

And neither did most people.

Punching Bag? Is this David Diaz?

Cuz' your the type of fighter Packy looks "improved" against. Against skillful counter punchers he looks like a one dimensional guy w/ a good straight left.

So you think both JMM-Pac fights were robberies or just the rematch?

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Word of mouth will. And word of mouth is more powerful.


Marquez's history is intact. He's a first ballot HOF'mer and all time legend.

People know the score.

*** Ken Norton.

What score? 0-1-1 vs Pac? 0-1 vs Fraud jr.?

Drinking piss is not legendary. This is not fear factor.


he's a hall of famer that's it.

What are his 3 best wins?

Juan Diaz, old Barerra, & Joel Casamayor?

All time legend is wishful thinking.

[Left Hook Tua]

Marquez's history is intact. He's a first ballot HOF'mer and all time legend.

People know the score.

*** Ken Norton.

i doubt marquez gets in on the first ballot. maybe if he adds more to his resume.

that said , he should thank god every day for pacquiao. if he gets in the hall of fame , it's because pacquiao got him there.

[ThePunchingBag]

i doubt marquez gets in on the first ballot. maybe if he adds more to his resume.

that said , he should thank god every day for pacquiao. if he gets in the hall of fame , it's because pacquiao got him there.

Basically....

[MindBat]

respectfully disagree with dwyer. He's a good unbiased, levelheaded boxing guy in youtube. not like bloodboxing or karceno. Allow me to offer a rebuttal.

May i approach the witness your honor?

Too much emphasis is being used with the first erik morales fight. that was 2005. Fight night vs Fraudulent jr. will be mid 2010. In those 5 years its safe to say that Pac has drastically improved as a fighter. More refined, more seasoned, & with a much better & active right hand.

The Pac that fought morales 1 is a completely different form that the pac fraudulent jr. will be facing. Even the Pac that fought marquez 2 is not the same anymore.

So not only are we gonna be seeing a different & improved Pacquiao, we will be seeing a different Mayweather come fight night. This Fraud jr. version is OLDER, SLOWER, LESS ACTIVE, & LESS MOBILE than the Fraud jr. of 130,135,140, & early 147 lb version. He throws less combinations & now relies more on upper body movement i.e. shoulder roll than whole body movement using his legs.

If you watch the his fight vs marquez, Fraud jr. has increased his propensity to lay on the ropes more so than ever before. This is not a good idea vs this 2 fisted version of Pacquiao.

Dwyer also like to compare zab judah getting figured out & Fraud jr. pulling away. Well zab judah has a lot to do with that due to his repuation as a head case & as a 4-5 round fighter. That will not be the case vs Pacquiao. Same thing with oscar. Oscar has a reputation of gassing in the later rounds IN HIS PRIME.

This version of Fraud jr. now relies more heavily on single shot counter punching than ever before. This version throws less combinations & goes on the offensive a lot less. He can afford to do that vs marquez who was never a offensive fighter who pressed the action. Can he do that vs a high rate offensive fighter vs Pacquiao? He will lose rounds due to Pac's aggressiveness if he chooses to do so.

Pacquiao is not oscar, hatton, & marquez. He is the complete opposite style, workrate, speed, power, stamina, than those guys. He is similar to zab judah & to some extent demarcus corley but only much better. Both of those southpaws even though dominated by Fraud jr. later on put hands on Fraud jr. Its safe to say Pac will have his chances.

So add the fact that Fraud jr. will be a much lesser active puncher, a lot less mobile, a lot less offensive than his previous days in the lower weight classes, coupled with the fact that Pac has improved greatly, this will be a close even fight all the way to the 12th round.

Last but not least, it is simply dangerous to game plan using the marquez 1 & 2 fights & the first morales fights. That is not the pacquiao that Fraud jr. is gonna be facing. Pac evolves so much in every one of his last fights that its impossible to see what will be the next stage form Fraud jr will be facing with Pacquiao.


Thank you your honor.

This is a pretty fair assessment, and I agree Manny is a different fighter.

But lets not forget that Manny looked great against one fighter who foolishly thought he could compete at a weight he hadn't fought in for years, and another who was psychologically damaged from a brutal beating
he suffered last year.

As for the Hatton Manny fought, everyone knows Ricky was on a sole mission to the land of knockout-of-ness. No plan, no strategy, just "I'm here, let me have it."

[Doctor_Tenma]

i doubt marquez gets in on the first ballot. maybe if he adds more to his resume.

that said , he should thank god every day for pacquiao. if he gets in the hall of fame , it's because pacquiao got him there.

He got himself there. Why all the Marquez hate?

[miron_lang]

BoxRec has no mercy for deluded fans. Not much more to be said really. You can say he won both fights, but the bottom line is that history won't show it.

Basically....

just rewatched it last night. Scoring wise. by 50% preference Pac has a bigger claim in winning fight 1. Pac won both fights if you prefer both precise counter punching and Effective Agression. JMM won both fights if you like Counter punching so much like Gay Jutras. Pac won both fights if you like aggression.

Official: 1 W for Pac 1 Draw.

[miron_lang]

This is a pretty fair assessment, and I agree Manny is a different fighter.

But lets not forget that Manny looked great against one fighter who foolishly thought he could compete at a weight he hadn't fought in for years, and another who was psychologically damaged from a brutal beating
he suffered last year.

As for the Hatton Manny fought, everyone knows Ricky was on a sole mission to the land of knockout-of-ness. No plan, no strategy, just "I'm here, let me have it."

What were your thoughts before those 3 fights? Honestly. Can u go back and sum up what were you thinking before those fights?

[Left Hook Tua]

He got himself there. Why all the Marquez hate?

which fights got him there?

beating a washed up barrera who was nothing but a big money tuneup for pacquiao the 2nd time around?

beating manuel medina? derrick gainer? a 40 yr. old casamayor? juan diaz?

i'm sorry but if it wasn't for 2 close fights with pacquiao......marquez does not get in the HOF.

[Glamour Puss]

So you think both JMM-Pac fights were robberies or just the rematch?

Not robberies, but JMM clearly won both.

What score? 0-1-1 vs Pac? 0-1 vs Fraud jr.?
Drinking piss is not legendary. This is not fear factor.

he's a hall of famer that's it.

What are his 3 best wins?

Juan Diaz, old Barerra, & Joel Casamayor?

All time legend is wishful thinking.

Silly bastard.

i doubt marquez gets in on the first ballot. maybe if he adds more to his resume.

that said , he should thank god every day for pacquiao. if he gets in the hall of fame , it's because pacquiao got him there.

Yeah, partly. Beating Packy 2x helps.

He got himself there. Why all the Marquez hate?

Pinoys have cognitive dissonance when it comes to JMM. They try to diminish him and say he's chinny and basically try to minimize him, the thing is, they're lying to themselves.

Would you go out of your way to discredit a guy you REALLY believe is so unimpressive?

No.

Deep down they know the truth and it bugs them that JMM is so good and gets credit from so many people in boxing for beating Packy 2x.