when exactly did all the "ducking" begin by mayweather?

[Cash Cow]

When he wouldn't man up against the toughest fighters at WW.

there are tougher WW's than those mentioned. Maybe some rugged Journey Men. Zab Judah was supposed to be Mayweather biggest threat as Mayweather moved to WW because he was supposedly as fast as skilled and stronger....

see how that turned out

It's not about TOUGH, it's about skill. Whenever someone mentions Margarito fighting Mayweather they NEVER break down the fight from a tactical stand point. They just say Margarito is tough and throws a lot of punches....which IMO isn't enough to win a BOXING match vs Floyd Mayweather.....

[WhoreUs]

he fought and beat THE MAN at ww..then went on to mega fights.....

thats like saying pacman aint cleaned out 135,140,or even fought a ww at the full ww limit....anybodies resume can be picked apart if you have hate in your heart

PBF deserves credit for winning the WW title.
But he stayed at WW without facing top contenders.
Pac didn't stay at LW for several years.
Pac didn't stay at JWW for several years.
Had Pac done this and refused to fight the best at those weights, he could be criticized.
You are a good PBF fan Larry.
Don't turn into 1 of the faggots making excuses for him.
He has not faced the toughest at WW.
That is a fact.

[ROSS CALIFORNIA]

If Mayweather was ever going to duck anybody it would be Pac man. Instead he comes out of retirement to fight JMM to set up a fight with Pac. Anyone with any sense should put the whole ducking thing to rest. Mayweather for the past few years has been about who he can make the most money fighting. If Cotto and Margarito weren't big enough draws, doesn't that tell you they were not all that great to begin with and were being over hyped? He's back now and will face the very best, either Pac or Mosley. He isn't and never was a ducker.

[Ekscape]

People are mad that he didnt fight Margarito instead of Baldomir... that's where it came from though you can pull up a similar situation with almost every champion

[zeidrich]

1. if your a WW in 5 years and havent fought a single top 3 WW.

2. if you faked your retirement and comeback in 2 years and fight a LW.

3. if your using the # of lose excuse even if the opponent is ranked higher than u

[WhoreUs]

there are tougher WW's than those mentioned. Maybe some rugged Journey Men. Zab Judah was supposed to be Mayweather biggest threat as Mayweather moved to WW because he was supposedly as fast as skilled and stronger....

see how that turned out

It's not about TOUGH, it's about skill. Whenever someone mentions Margarito fighting Mayweather they NEVER break down the fight from a tactical stand point. They just say Margarito is tough and throws a lot of punches....which IMO isn't enough to win a BOXING match vs Floyd Mayweather.....

You took that quote out of context.
I wasn't talking about "toughest" as in skill.
I was talking about the top contenders.
He refused to fight them.

[zeidrich]

If Mayweather was ever going to duck anybody it would be Pac man. Instead he comes out of retirement to fight JMM to set up a fight with Pac. Anyone with any sense should put the whole ducking thing to rest. Mayweather for the past few years has been about who he can make the most money fighting. If Cotto and Margarito weren't big enough draws, doesn't that tell you they were not all that great to begin with and were being over hyped? He's back now and will face the very best, either Pac or Mosley. He isn't and never was a ducker.

only a ****** person would duck pac, pac is like a walking treasure chest.. a JWW walking in the forest full of WW.... who would not want to fight that?

[Cash Cow]

It started mainly with him turning down Antonio Margarito when he was having issues with Top Rank.

Mayweather actively pursued the top junior welterweights at the time and Hatton declined and Arum thought it was a little early for Cotto to be in the same ring with Mayweather.


Do you have an actual source? It's very difficult to blatantly duck somebody two weight classes below you.

Top Rank NEVER presented Team Mayweather or HBO with a contract or proposal for Mayweather to fight Margarito. That 8 Million Dollar # was just thrown around over internet websites.

Why would HBO pay for a Margarito fight (who was fighting on espn) for his WBO welterweight title he won in a vacant title bout when they can show Mayweather beat the Undisputed WW Champion for the WBC title?

All of this stuff are Myth's, Arum knew he would NEVER get a Margarito-Mayweather fight at that time, so he used his fighters name and attached it to Mayweather's. It worked and got Margarito more attention then he would have got. But in the end Margarito was a cheater so the ducking statement is really null & void after that incident...

[S.G.]

with Erik Morales around 2000-2001. I remember it like it was yesterday, because it was about as blantant as you can get.

Hamed was the biggest name in the lower divisions, highest paid, and had HBO backing him. Floyd wanted to fight him at a catch weight of 128, but Hamed stated "I'm the Draw, you should come down and face me". Hamed could do that back then because he had about 5-10 different options, all of which HBO would back and also would earn him big paydays.

Since Floyd wouldn't come down, the fight never happened. Meanwhile, Erik Morales had just beaten Barrera in their first classic fight that got them FOTY honors. Morales also had a huge buzz behind him and was becoming more and more popular. He had also moved up to 126, and seeing how the Floyd vs Hamed fight fell through, Morales was like **** it, I'll go up to 130 and fight Floyd.

Not once but several times Morales tried to make the fight only for Floyd to duck him. There was no way to defend Floyd for not fighing Morales, as there weren't any justifiable excuses at the time. So to answer your question, that was the first "duck" by Floyd.

Basically Floyd was willing to go down to 128 to fight Hamed, but not willing to accept a fight from a guy who was willing to come up to his own weight class and fight him.

I don't recall this. I assume you're talking about early 2001 when Floyd was tied up with Corrales and Morales had only just moved up to and won his featherweight title? The first fight with Barrera was at super bantamweight...

The Mayweather v Hamed fight was being lined up for after Hamed beat Barrera (which obviosuly never happened) in mid '01.

[Cash Cow]

If Mayweather was ever going to duck anybody it would be Pac man. Instead he comes out of retirement to fight JMM to set up a fight with Pac. Anyone with any sense should put the whole ducking thing to rest. Mayweather for the past few years has been about who he can make the most money fighting. If Cotto and Margarito weren't big enough draws, doesn't that tell you they were not all that great to begin with and were being over hyped? He's back now and will face the very best, either Pac or Mosley. He isn't and never was a ducker.

great post