Bute vs Pavlik is Being Pushed By HBO For 2010

[Heru]

Thank you!!

Do you see the way Williams is getting stiffed?

Yeah, I hate when fighters pull this type of ****.

Williams is the clear #1 contender and when there's a clear challenger the champ should defend unless the weight is impossible to make.

Same **** happened with Caballero and Lopez. 2 Top Rank fighters. The top fighters not fighting each other is the worst thing that can happen forget about everything else.

[Mikhnienko]

Potentially. I'd expect a Bute decision.

However, I think Pavlik is capable of landing on Bute.

I think his power at 168 isn't on par with Berrio, Bika, Kessler, Froch, Abrahammer or any of the top ****ers at 168. Bute has proven his chin against them and Pavlik doesn't have the same power imo

Plus he is noticably more sluggish and has much slower handspeed (which isn't spectacular to begin with) above 160.

That's not even mentioning anything that Bute has or can do. Southpaw, handpeed, power, footwork/ angles. I really think he'd get completely outclassed.

[Mikhnienko]

Yeah, I hate when fighters pull this type of ****.

Williams is the clear #1 contender and when there's a clear challenger the champ should defend unless the weight is impossible to make.

Same **** happened with Caballero and Lopez. 2 Top Rank fighters. The top fighters not fighting each other is the worst thing that can happen forget about everything else.

Come on man, i want to see PW vs Pavlik too. I think it's an interesting matchup and would love to see it but saying PW is the #1 contender?

Golovkin is his #1 mandatory and has earned that spot through merit, beating other middleweights. and is arguably more talented (i don't expect you to agree with that but just acknowledge that some, like myself, think so)

who has PW beat at 160?

[Shadows]

I think his power at 168 isn't on par with Berrio, Bika, Kessler, Froch, Abrahammer or any of the top ****ers at 168. Bute has proven his chin against them and Pavlik doesn't have the same power imo

Plus he is noticably more sluggish and has much slower handspeed (which isn't spectacular to begin with) above 160.

That's not even mentioning anything that Bute has or can do. Southpaw, handpeed, power, footwork/ angles. I really think he'd get completely outclassed.

For sure his footwork and handspeed are miles above his, no questioning that here. His southpaw stance and angles do give him an advantage, but neither guy is a defensive master.

His power may not be the best out of them, but I don't think he's enough fights at the weight to tell. He's probably somewhere in the middle, which is still not that bad.

To be honest, I think it'd be close for the opening few rounds, then Bute would take over.

[Heru]

Come on man, i want to see PW vs Pavlik too. I think it's an interesting matchup and would love to see it but saying PW is the #1 contender?

Golovkin is his #1 mandatory and has earned that spot through merit, beating other middleweights. and is arguably more talented (i don't expect you to agree with that but just acknowledge that some, like myself, think so)

who has PW beat at 160?

Williams is #1 at 154 and #3 at 160, and completely shutting out Winky Wright (even though coming off a layoff) is all I need to see to know, Williams is the best of the lot. Sturm has the same style as Wright, do you think he'd beat him? I had Gevor beating Sturm in his last fight, just saying.

Golovkin should not be rated in the top 10 yet, he's still a prospect that hasn't fought a top contender. He has a sanctioning body ranking, which doesn't mean much, Pirog deserves a higher spot then him.

I actually have checked out Golovkin and didn't really think much of him. Golovkin might have had a lot of success as an amateur, but he looks like another version of Carl Froch.

[ugly2000]

The fight will be signed and Pavlik will think up an excuse to get out of it.

[Beater_of_ass]

Williams is #1 at 154 and #3 at 160, and completely shutting out Winky Wright (even though coming off a layoff) is all I need to see to know, Williams is the best of the lot. Sturm has the same style as Wright, do you think he'd beat him? I had Gevor beating Sturm in his last fight, just saying.

Golovkin should not be rated in the top 10 yet, he's still a prospect that hasn't fought a top contender. He has a sanctioning body ranking, which doesn't mean much, Pirog deserves a higher spot then him.

I actually have checked out Golovkin and didn't really think much of him. Golovkin might have had a lot of success as an amateur, but he looks like another version of Carl Froch.

Just wanted to point out that wright was coming off of a two year lay off, not one, and he was also 37 years old and Hopkins clowned in their fight. This was nowhere the same Winky Wright who beat Trinidad or the guy from 5-6 years ago. That being said, the way to break down a guy with that type of fighting style of blocking any punch coming his way is to throw even more, he won't be able to stop them all and PWill still would have won, though I feel it would have been far more competitive. Also noticed people mentioning that Pavlik lacks power at 168... I'm still not 100% sure. He hurt Taylor in the second fight, and this was still when Taylor had a chin, if anything Pavlik is what destroyed whatever chin Taylor had.

As for Hopkins, has he ever been knocked out? I mean, I don't understand how people expect anyone with power to go in and KO guys who've never been KO'd or even down before. Just because a guy doesn't get a KO in every fight, especially guys with proven abilities to stack some bombs is beyond me. However, someone brought up a great point in that Pavliks power isn't on par with Abraham, Froch or Kessler... that could very well be true and thus I'm not throwing out the argument that Pavlik does have the same power at 160 and 168. He might, he might not but basing off of a fight with Hopkins isn't really fair, especially considering I'm not so sure any of the aforementioned would be able to KO Hopkins either, and it took AA 12 rounds of an already weak chinned Taylor to KO him.

As for this fight being made... Maybe Williams does deserve a shot before Bute, but he hasn't exactly been great to work with either. I'm not defending Pavlik for trying to move the fight date three times, however, all Williams had to wait was an additionally two weeks, it wasn't THAT big of a deal IMO. Also, the first time they tried to make the fight it didn't happen because of Williams, not Pavlik so their even. If both guys happen to win Pavlik/Williams will also be far bigger than it would be now. (Assuming Pavlik wins his upcoming fight and the Bute fight should it be made.)

Yes, it's great to see certain fights happen now, but if they are given more time to build up more hype it just makes them that much better. For example, people were calling for Floyd vs Manny before the JMM/Mayweather and Cotto/Pacman fights, but after both of those it hit a whole new level, this can play out the same way. And even if Pavlik were to lose to Bute it sets up an even more interesting fight as Bute is a clone of Quintana except far, far better and with more power. I actually have more faith in Williams beating Pavlik that him pulling a victory over Bute.

[Matt Marvelous]

Bute beats Pavlik by decision. Pavlik isn't **** @ 168. Half the guys in the top 10 would beat him at this point.

[Mikhnienko]

Williams is #1 at 154 and #3 at 160, and completely shutting out Winky Wright (even though coming off a layoff) is all I need to see to know, Williams is the best of the lot. Sturm has the same style as Wright, do you think he'd beat him? I had Gevor beating Sturm in his last fight, just saying.

Golovkin should not be rated in the top 10 yet, he's still a prospect that hasn't fought a top contender. He has a sanctioning body ranking, which doesn't mean much, Pirog deserves a higher spot then him.

I actually have checked out Golovkin and didn't really think much of him. Golovkin might have had a lot of success as an amateur, but he looks like another version of Carl Froch.

1) Golovkin beating Dziarra, Mamani, Greenridge & Carvalho (all by KO inside 5 rds btw) is better than anything Williams has done at 160. fact

2) imo those wins are more impressive than what PW did against the version of Winky that he fought

3) If you think Golovkin is a 'version of Carl Froch' you're either the biggest PW nutthugger walking the earth, letting that blind you

or

Don't know a ***ing thing about boxing. In any event you're dead wrong.

Incidentally, Golovkin KO'd Bute at the 2003 World Championships. And beat Dirrell too.

PW at 160 or 168 will get his anorexic ass broke in half. He should keep his feminine built ass 154 and under. Whether or not he can even hang vs Martinez or Dzinziruk remains to be seen.

[ropeadope661]

I don't like the idea imo, I think bute should replace tayler in the super six or fight Jeff lacy to test him, then fight tayler, and then he can go for the big fights.