Was Kessler the number #1 168 Pounder Before fighting Ward?

[The Hammer]

BoxRec is a joke. And the IBO...hahaha


Opinions matter more in this sport.

If computers matter that much how about we just stick them all in a video-game and press simulation.

The IBO's ratings are actually very good. You should take a look through them sometime, before commenting on them again.

Why do you keep stalking my posts? Did I get under your skin by exposing you?

Of COURSE you don't rate Bute or Abraham, not because you like Ward, but because you hate European boxers. We already knew that - you're ridiculously predictable. That's what YOUR opinions are based on, right? Your negative feelings toward European people?



Every time I see that Benny Leonard has posted, I know he's quoted some thing I've said. Isn't that a bit pathetic? Am I really that important to you?

[Shadows]

You can't say well they are limited so it is not that good of a win. Cuz I can go ahead and say Kessler is limited as well. He fights in a straight line and anybody who moves side to side and gives him angles will beat him. Cuz he can't adjust he is limited. But, that that will be discrediting Andre Ward for that. I would not discredit a big win for Ward. So why discredit Bute wins? Fact is both Andrade and Bika are ranked top 10 SMW. And, all of us consider SMW as a deep stack division. And, these 2 fighters are top 10. Bute beat both of them. That is my argument. If we go with Andrade and Bika are limited then Kessler is also limited.

Why discredit Bute's wins? Because everyone is discredited on here.
But ultimately, I think it's what people look at.

I think Bute does have the superior resume, and after tonight he's made a case for himself as #1.

Also, you're not counting his win over Alejandro Berrio. He may not be ranked in the top ten, but Berrio does hold wins over Stieglitz and Yusaf Mack.

However, Ward's resume has the potential to go up, if Miranda beats Stieglitz himself.

[jrosales13]

Fair enough, you and I are just going in circles. I give it to Ward, Kessler was the best, Ward's undefeated, he beats Kessler, he wins a 168 title. He's the best.

I see what you're saying, but I can't agree.

I have a question. You say Ward is the best. Now I think Ward is going to have an easy time with Taylor. I think Ward will win that fight. But, lets say for the hell of it we use your logic and some how by a miracle Taylor beats Ward. Using your own logic will you have Taylor as the best at 168?

[KILLA RIGHT]

Officially yea but I always said aa will win it

[Allucard]

LOL the ones saying no DID CLEARLY SAY YES BEFORE THE FIGHT.

[jrosales13]

How much do you really want to go by BoxRec?

Look at their ratings All Time for HW:

http://boxrec.com/ratings.php?countr...us=E&SUBMIT=Go

Do you agree with every one?


If you want to stick with computers with this sport, why bother even fighting?
Let's just stick them in a computer and press simulation.

I like the IBO over WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO. Here is why if you look at there ranking they rank other title holders. While the major 4 don't. So using the IBO rankings you can actually unify without being stripped. You know damn the major 4 will strip your title if you unify when they wan't to fight somebody else. For example both Margarito and Clottey got stripped for trying to unify against Cotto. That wouldn't happen with the IBO strapped. Both Barrera and Tapia got stripped for fighting each other to unify. That wouldn't happen with IBO.

[Madvillain]

I have a question. You say Ward is the best. Now I think Ward is going to have an easy time with Taylor. I think Ward will win that fight. But, lets say for the hell of it we use your logic and some how by a miracle Taylor beats Ward. Using your own logic will you have Taylor as the best at 168?

No.

1. Bute
2. Abraham
3. Froch
4. Taylor
5. Ward

Bute would move from 2 to 1 as no one has defeated him, Taylor would be over Ward, but not the two guys that beat him.

[Benny Leonard]

The IBO's ratings are actually very good. You should take a look through them sometime, before commenting on them again.

Why do you keep stalking my posts? Did I get under your skin by exposing you?

Of COURSE you don't rate Bute or Abraham, not because you like Ward, but because you hate European boxers. We already knew that - you're ridiculously predictable. That's what YOUR opinions are based on, right? Your negative feelings toward European people?



Every time I see that Benny Leonard has posted, I know he's quoted some thing I've said. Isn't that a bit pathetic? Am I really that important to you?

Yeah, well just about everybody knows what you are about.

And yes I do rate Bute highly. Bute is either 1 or 2 now...maybe 1.

Abraham: What has he done at 168? A win over a Taylor? What else?


I don't usually do ratings but my list would look like this:

Bute,
Ward,
Froch,
Abraham (but only because A.A. only has a win over Taylor since I would rate him higher than Froch as far as being a fighter...and I think he can beat Ward so I expect him to move up to 2...with a showdown with Bute some time late next year if the tourney is over).


Oh, so what is your opinion on Benny Leonard the boxer?
Where does he rate?


And once again, Thanks for forgetting all my posts that speak of "Europeans" highly...which includes everything outside of boxing as well. Keep sticking with your closed mine ways my skinhead friend

[jrosales13]

Why discredit Bute's wins? Because everyone is discredited on here.
But ultimately, I think it's what people look at.

I think Bute does have the superior resume, and after tonight he's made a case for himself as #1.

Also, you're not counting his win over Alejandro Berrio. He may not be ranked in the top ten, but Berrio does hold wins over Stieglitz and Yusaf Mack.

However, Ward's resume has the potential to go up, if Miranda beats Stieglitz himself.

Yes Ward resume has potential with the upcoming Miranda fight. if Miranda wins and Ward beats Taylor in his next fight. Then yes Ward will be the #1 guy IMO. But, the whole he beat the guy who beat the guy so he is best. To me is bogus cuz there is no lineal claim. If you use that logic then that would make Taylor the best SMW.

[Benny Leonard]

I like the IBO over WBA, WBC, IBF, and WBO. Here is why if you look at there ranking they rank other title holders. While the major 4 don't. So using the IBO rankings you can actually unify without being stripped. You know damn the major 4 will strip your title if you unify when they wan't to fight somebody else. For example both Margarito and Clottey got stripped for trying to unify against Cotto. That wouldn't happen with the IBO strapped. Both Barrera and Tapia got stripped for fighting each other to unify. That wouldn't happen with IBO.

They need to just ban all the belts.

yes, true...I remember Lewis taking the IBO belt and making a statement with it.

But I don't rate these things to highly because they tend to have the odd fighter rated to highly.