Joe Calzaghe's career - is it me or is just highly puzzling?

[Walterson]

Let's be real here. It was awesome that Joe did that to Roy. A dose of his own medicine. I normally hate such theatrics in the ring, but if there was ever a time were it felt good this was it. Also considering that Jones returned to doing that stuff with poor Jeff Lacy.

I agree with you in saying that it was a taste of his own medicine.

But come on you've got to agree with this following point ...

Calzaghe stated in his prime that he wouldn't risk fighting Jones. Now if that was the case, then it seems / is displayed, that he's such a p*ssy that he waited for the legend to grow old and then mock him in a ring. There's no honour in that at all.

That's one of the many reasons why many people felt sick watching Joe and Roy fight last year; it's not that fact that he was serving him up a taste of his own medicine, it's just that in RJJ prime, Calzaghe was scared to fight him.

[BattlingNelson]

I agree with you in saying that it was a taste of his own medicine.

But come on you've got to agree with this following point ...

Calzaghe stated in his prime that he wouldn't risk fighting Jones. Now if that was the case, then it seems / is displayed, that he's such a p*ssy that he waited for the legend to grow old and then mock him in a ring. There's no honour in that at all.

That's one of the many reasons why many people felt sick watching Joe and Roy fight last year; it's not that fact that he was serving him up a taste of his own medicine, it's just that in RJJ prime, Calzaghe was scared to fight him.

If the source from which you took the quote is credible, then at least it's a refreshing admission by a top fighter. So Joe avoided Jones. Jones however doesn't escape criticism himself as he is one of boxings prime duckers.

Still there's no denying that Joe's legacy could have been greater. As I said earlier I'm quite sure that Joe and Warren underestimated Joe's ability big time. Otherwise he would have taken some more big fights (Ottke etc.)

[Walterson]

If the source from which you took the quote is credible, then at least it's a refreshing admission by a top fighter. So Joe avoided Jones. Jones however doesn't escape criticism himself as he is one of boxings prime duckers.

Still there's no denying that Joe's legacy could have been greater. As I said earlier I'm quite sure that Joe and Warren underestimated Joe's ability big time. Otherwise he would have taken some more big fights (Ottke etc.)

Out of interest who did Jones duck?

[Zn1]

one of the smartest fighters ive seen, with his type of skillset.

he will never be a supreme athlete like floyd mayweather, with natural gifts.
he will never be a devastating ko machine, due to his lack of power and "slap" punch technique.
but not only did he throw an impressive amount of shots rd 1 through 12, but he was accurate doing it, mixed up the shots very well, got in and out very well, had a great defence and chin, and yes, he did get tagged due to his all action style and even dropped hard but he got up and won.

but what impressed my most about him was his ability to adjust. against kesler, i was rly worried early on, that kessler was gonna be too much. but calzaghe made the adjustment and ran away with the middle to late rounds. very impressive, altho it does seem kessler is abit limited, at the highest level.
then against hopkins, he lost the first 4 rds for sure, one being a 10-8 round from the knockdown.
he made a small distance adjustment, got his timing down on the jab and counters, and personally, felt he swept every round except either the 11th or 12th, cant remember which.

style wise and with jones jr recent decision to give up when the going is tough, i rly think that calzaghes two big wins are hopkins and kessler, with lacy being a fantastic display of his skills, against an overhyped fighter....
and come on, i didnt see any americans picking calzaghe to beat lacy. i expect there were some, but the majority of so called experts, writers, journalists and boxingscene in general had lacy by ko

i just dont know what isnt impressive about him as a fighter.

GOAT ? lol show me one person who has genuinely said that.
Hall of Famer, undefeated SMW champ, long reigning, light heavyweight champ, beating another fellow Hall of famer.

dunno why hes so hated, hes been in some rly exciting fights. and has a great style for boxing fans..

[BirdSong]

"But I know my capabilities and unless I got paid the crown ***els I wouldn't want to risk it."

If this is a legit quote, all it is saying is that calzaghe wants a lot of money to fight jones, its simply saying that unless he gets paid a certain amout he wont do it. Doesnt floyd and lots of other top boxers do the EXACT same thing. Calzaghe knew that he could never get jones to come to wales, so he knew he would have to travel to get him, thats fair enough, why should jones go to wales so all calzghe is saying is that he wants to get paid to fight jones. Notice the unless part of the quote, ie, he would fight him if the money was right. So its funny, the quote you gave is actually telling us that calzaghe would fight jones if the money was right and not the other way around, yeah thats a good one alrite

[BattlingNelson]

Out of interest who did Jones duck?

Michalszewski immidiately comes to mind. Also Michael Nunn. Then again he DID fight Vinny Pazienza........

[Dirk Diggler UK]

They all do. When Dirk Diggler & co first began posting in earnest, that was their goal.

"Calzaghe can win a HW title too"

"Calzaghe was ducked by Jones"

Just hilarious. Whenever I need a good laugh, I read old threads and compare them to today.

Damn....usually ladies that gossip behind each others back, Dazie?

[IMDAZED]

Michalszewski immidiately comes to mind. Also Michael Nunn. Then again he DID fight Vinny Pazienza........

When and how did he duck Michalchewski? Or Nunn?

[ИATAS]

Its a pretty sad career if you really break it down like that. Either he was scared or his promoter protected him for way too long.

Boxing historians very much consider risk taking when judging fighters. Who did they fight? What risks did they take? Were they willing to do this or do that, etc. When you look at Joe's career you can see very few risks. Probably Lacy & kessler were the only real risks he took, fighting over 40 year old guys at the end of you're career for big pay checks aren't exactly risks.

That's why guys like hopkins, pacquiao, etc. will always be ranked so much higher on the ATG list.

It's also sad because Joe was truly a skilled/gifted fighter and for like you said, 5-10 years, he pretty much wasted that talent.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Its a pretty sad career if you really break it down like that. Either he was scared or his promoter protected him for way too long.

Boxing historians very much consider risk taking when judging fighters. Who did they fight? What risks did they take? Were they willing to do this or do that, etc. When you look at Joe's career you can see very few risks. Probably Lacy & kessler were the only real risks he took, fighting over 40 year old guys at the end of you're career for big pay checks aren't exactly risks.

That's why guys like hopkins, pacquiao, etc. will always be ranked so much higher on the ATG list.

It's also sad because Joe was truly a skilled/gifted fighter and for like you said, 5-10 years, he pretty much wasted that talent.

How can you criticise Joe and then mention Hopkins........who refused to fight Joe when they were both closer to their primes?

Strange