Mayweather-Pacquiao negotiations hit early rough patch over rematch clause...

[Levcon8686]

Can we please try to keep this grown-up and objective?

Here is the more likely scenario, Shadey:

They know that Floyd can make an easy negotiation with Shane where Floyd (coming off the bonanza) would have Shane by the short-n-curlies to command an overwhelming percentage.

If Floyd beats Pac - say by MD - he can go to make buckets in a Mosley fight. And Schaefer has already espoused the position that Floyd deserves more. So Shane has no leverage.

If Pac beat Floyd, he would def want another payday. And as an Arum fighter, he is powerless to refuse it. He can't breach his promotional/managerial contract.

Question: What's stopping Pac fighting Mosley after Floyd-Pac? Is it that Shane negotiates with Floyd before Manny?

Cheers for the info...interesting stuff.

[GG Marquez]

Yes, wise, but he probably ain't as wise as he should have been. A brother of mine, while sitting in a bar with Naz, told him years before to avoid Barrera at all costs.

He had to try A-level competition at some point. His other option was Mayweather at 128.

"How would you like to die, Mr. Samurai? By gun or by knife?" Nahmean...

[GG Marquez]

Question: What's stopping Pac fighting Mosley after Floyd-Pac? Is it that Shane negotiates with Floyd before Manny?

Cheers for the info...interesting stuff.

Consider this decision tree:

Pac beats Floyd close: rematch makes sense.

Pac beats Floyd easy: Pac goes to fight Shane

Floyd beats Pac close: rematch makes sense

Floyd beats pac easy: Shane would get absolutely KILLED for making a Pac fight.

See what I mean? The only scenario that leaves a Pac-Shane is if Pac dominates Floyd. That is 25% ( or less).

[GG Marquez]

Question: What's stopping Pac fighting Mosley after Floyd-Pac? Is it that Shane negotiates with Floyd before Manny?

Cheers for the info...interesting stuff.

...also, yes. GBP would try to make a fight with two "in-house" guys if they can.

Shane , at 39, losing to Floyd isn't damaged by that. Agreed?

[JohnCIV6]

So have they agreed on a percentage? Do you know anything else?

[Ivansmamma]

Rematch clauses suck. If you lose big you should earn your way back up and if the fight is close or controversial popular demand will ensure the rematch anyway if it's needed.

Anyway if Floyd stands firm they will have to cave in on this demand. Pac needs Floyd more then Floyd needs Pac. Pac want's one more big fight there is no one else then Floyd. Floyd dosen't care he might as well fight hatton or some one that level again.

[Levcon8686]

Consider this decision tree:

Pac beats Floyd close: rematch makes sense.

Pac beats Floyd easy: Pac goes to fight Shane

Floyd beats Pac close: rematch makes sense

Floyd beats pac easy: Shane would get absolutely KILLED for making a Pac fight.

See what I mean? The only scenario that leaves a Pac-Shane is if Pac dominates Floyd. That is 25% ( or less).

True. I was wondering as to why Pac's team wanted to go for the guaranteed first refusal rematch clause as opposed to mutual agreement, as they could always go on to Mosley after. Makes sense to me now though - the chances of Pac dominating Floyd are far less than the chances of Floyd dominating Pac.

[Left Hook Tua]

But a mandated rematch throws Pac off his political plans....right?

he's not gonna win anyway.

he's ****** if he thinks people will vote him in office before he retires.

i doubt they'd vote him in even if he was retired.

[GG Marquez]

So have they agreed on a percentage? Do you know anything else?

I'm sorry/ I do not.

I'd be surprised if they did at this point.

[Levcon8686]

...also, yes. GBP would try to make a fight with two "in-house" guys if they can.

Shane , at 39, losing to Floyd isn't damaged by that. Agreed?

Agreed also. Even if he loses a close fight with Floyd, he probably grows in stature. Floyd is probably Shane's first preference anyway, with Pac second. Both bring big money but Floyd brings the most, and no sneaky catchweights either.