"Boxing is a business" crowd, get in here.

[El Jesus]

Anyone who thinks that boxing isnt a buisness first game is living in a fantasy land of a typical fan who has no true understanding that its ALWAYS been a buisness.

I love when people bring up ray robinson and talk about how "he fought the best and didint care about anything but legacy" like R.A Rugged man said, when Robinson was known for giving rediculous excuses not to take someone on, on top of demanding higher purses THE NIGHT BEFORE a fight or would threaten to pull out.

Anyone who thinks that pac is fighting for just legacy, or that his opponents are chosen by him for the sake of being great is again, looking at it from the perspective of a fan. Each fight, oscar/hatton/cotto etc has not only been looked at from a risk/reward status, but also factoring fanbase and ppv revenue and where they are in their careers to pose a threat. Not to mention, cotto/pac having the same promoter and keeping the money in house.

So many "fans" claim to know so much about boxing history and have no idea that even back in this glory age they talk about, it was always about who had a fanbase, who could draw, who could be avoided while still maintaining the title. Rigging the rankings to milk a draw.

Guys like Jack Dempsey holding the title hostage to go on exhibition tours. James Braddock holding the heavyweight title and not defending it and then cashing out to joe louis.


I swear, some of you have so much psuedo intellect its hilarious to me. Alot of you have been watching boxing for 10 or 20 or 30 years, but never look beyond the fact that outside of the soap opera, the he said she said and the who ducked who, is the fact that ducking, robbing, risk/reward over legacy has ALWAYS been around and always will be. As time goes on, history gets more gloss and often times more glorious.

I think this thread is evidence how boxing fans can be almost feminine with this fantasy that fighters are fighting for them and not for the most money with the least amount of risk at a point in their careers.

[PAKYO]

Agree:


“When you get hit that’s when you’ve got to be calm. A professional fighter has to learn how to hit and not get hit, and at the same time be exciting. That’s what professional boxing is about. You’ve got to be clever, you’ve got to be smart, and not get hit, and when you’re able to do this, you’re a fighter.” ~Cus D'Amato

If only all the best boxers out there now is doing it, i won't have no complains but one particular personality who is declaring himself the best is not doing it.
The only entertainment he's been doing so far is trash talking or ****** entertainment.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Anyone who thinks that boxing isnt a buisness first game is living in a fantasy land of a typical fan who has no true understanding that its ALWAYS been a buisness.

I love when people bring up ray robinson and talk about how "he fought the best and didint care about anything but legacy" like R.A Rugged man said, when Robinson was known for giving rediculous excuses not to take someone on, on top of demanding higher purses THE NIGHT BEFORE a fight or would threaten to pull out.

Anyone who thinks that pac is fighting for just legacy, or that his opponents are chosen by him for the sake of being great is again, looking at it from the perspective of a fan. Each fight, oscar/hatton/cotto etc has not only been looked at from a risk/reward status, but also factoring fanbase and ppv revenue and where they are in their careers to pose a threat. Not to mention, cotto/pac having the same promoter and keeping the money in house.

So many "fans" claim to know so much about boxing history and have no idea that even back in this glory age they talk about, it was always about who had a fanbase, who could draw, who could be avoided while still maintaining the title. Rigging the rankings to milk a draw.

Guys like Jack Dempsey holding the title hostage to go on exhibition tours. James Braddock holding the heavyweight title and not defending it and then cashing out to joe louis.


I swear, some of you have so much psuedo intellect its hilarious to me. Alot of you have been watching boxing for 10 or 20 or 30 years, but never look beyond the fact that outside of the soap opera, the he said she said and the who ducked who, is the fact that ducking, robbing, risk/reward over legacy has ALWAYS been around and always will be. As time goes on, history gets more gloss and often times more glorious.

I think this thread is evidence how boxing fans can be almost feminine with this fantasy that fighters are fighting for them and not for the most money with the least amount of risk at a point in their careers.

So, then you agree that if Freddie can make his fighter more money in this manner,

its good as long as Manny gets paid?

I just want to be clear on that.


But, on the real,


lol at the audacity of you of all people,

to come into my thread,


while having me,


on

ignore.


If you have me on ignore,

why are you even reading my threads?

[El Jesus]

The only entertainment he's been doing so far is trash talking or ****** entertainment.

What the *** is ****** entertainment? I guess since hes black, and talks trash, thats probably "****** entertainment". Gullible blacks like myself clearly enjoy this time of tomfoolery apparently.

[Thread Stealer]

Anyone who thinks that boxing isnt a buisness first game is living in a fantasy land of a typical fan who has no true understanding that its ALWAYS been a buisness.

I love when people bring up ray robinson and talk about how "he fought the best and didint care about anything but legacy" like R.A Rugged man said, when Robinson was known for giving rediculous excuses not to take someone on, on top of demanding higher purses THE NIGHT BEFORE a fight or would threaten to pull out.

Anyone who thinks that pac is fighting for just legacy, or that his opponents are chosen by him for the sake of being great is again, looking at it from the perspective of a fan. Each fight, oscar/hatton/cotto etc has not only been looked at from a risk/reward status, but also factoring fanbase and ppv revenue and where they are in their careers to pose a threat. Not to mention, cotto/pac having the same promoter and keeping the money in house.

So many "fans" claim to know so much about boxing history and have no idea that even back in this glory age they talk about, it was always about who had a fanbase, who could draw, who could be avoided while still maintaining the title. Rigging the rankings to milk a draw.

Guys like Jack Dempsey holding the title hostage to go on exhibition tours. James Braddock holding the heavyweight title and not defending it and then cashing out to joe louis.


I swear, some of you have so much psuedo intellect its hilarious to me. Alot of you have been watching boxing for 10 or 20 or 30 years, but never look beyond the fact that outside of the soap opera, the he said she said and the who ducked who, is the fact that ducking, robbing, risk/reward over legacy has ALWAYS been around and always will be. As time goes on, history gets more gloss and often times more glorious.

I think this thread is evidence how boxing fans can be almost feminine with this fantasy that fighters are fighting for them and not for the most money with the least amount of risk at a point in their careers.

I laugh when people use Ray Robinson of all people for that argument, one of the worst examples, when Ray himself said "I don't enjoy boxing, it's just a business for me".

[ßringer]

The "boxing is a business" crowd is only supportive of said agenda when it benefits one Floyd Mayweather Jr.

Because honestly speaking ; he's the only boxer who's wealth they even give a **** about. It's some morbid obsession with another man's money that I don't quite understand.

When's the last time you saw a "boxing is a business" type supportive of anybody else trying to exploit that to get more money?

Where was their support when Hopkins wanted his (rightful) 60 percent against Jones for a possible rematch?

[PAKYO]

What the *** is ****** entertainment? I guess since hes black, and talks trash, thats probably "****** entertainment". Gullible blacks like myself clearly enjoy this time of tomfoolery apparently.

If that's how you see it, fine. I'm enjoying it myself but i'm not paying for that ****!

I paid to watch to be entertained in boxing not trash talking!

[El Jesus]

If that's how you see it, fine. I'm enjoying it myself but i'm not paying for that ****!

I paid to watch to be entertained in boxing not trash talking!

You didint answer the question. Nor do you have the mental capacity to understand my cynicism.

Now tell me. What is "****** entertainment".

[Benny Leonard]

Its pretty simple.

Based on the quote in my original post,

I don't see why the "BIAB" crowd is upset with Freddies suggestion if it indeed makes his fighter more money.

They should be happy someone is looking out for a fighters best interest when it comes to money and health.

The thing is, Freddie has made it known why he wants a fighter to take off more pounds: "To take something away from him"


now it is smart if you can get away with it but to me, it isn't "classy" although that's the difference between people that fight Wars to win and those that want to stick with chivalry. In War, you do what you have to do in order to win...even if it is about poisoning your opponent by using Geisha or stabbing them before they fight.
Anything goes in war: nothing is really illegal...especially if you win.
But this is a sport with rules that people agree on or supposed to agree on. That's why fighters look each other in the eye and touch gloves.
Promoters however, even trainers...eh....can end up using the fighter and misleading them.
Just the way it is.


I understand what Freddie is doing and if you can get more money and fight a fighter with a name that can show up unhealthy so your fighter has more advantage...in a way, it is fair.
I just don't know that I would do it.
It just depends on how you want to feel about yourself and if you think it matters.

[Mr. Philadel]

**** the business and whoever rides with that!!....its a MAN'S sport and don't forget that!!!.....boxing is BAD BUSINESS!!.....just look at that TEKATA logo.....its EVIL......the birds head is turned to the left.....in case yall didin't know....that means rebellion....away from god in favor of satan....look at Manny's nike logo and you'll find the bird's head turned to the left as well...away from God.......don't give me that boxing is a business ****!!....its bad business done by evil ****as!!!