So how come Pac was able to get Better while Floyd declined?

[Benny Leonard]

Dude, it's really hard to tell if he has lost a step, maybe a hair slower, then again I kind of see PAC in the same light.

Both guys in my eyes are still the two fastest guys out there, but, I don't think their speed are quite the same as maybe a few years back.

I don't think it's Floyd's reflexes that's gonna bite him in the @ss if PAC connects on him. PAC's angles are just crazy, man. I've personally witnessed it in person. If it looks nuts on t.v. it's even mind-boggling what PAC does watching him from 5 feet away.

PAC's wildness is like a double-edge sword.

Yeah, have to watch some more tapes of Pac.


Pro Athletes are like that. It's one thing to see it on TV, another to see it in person from the stands and then an even bigger shock when you see it up close.

I describe it like this: Ever watch a baseball game?
You can see the pitches on TV all the way through.
Now, take yourself and stand up to the plate against live, Pro pitching, and it will blow your mind.

It's the same with the NFL: everybody that has seen it from the side-lines says the game is incredibly fast.

[Jiddu Dali]

yo u r not so perceptive is thr nicest way to put it... Mayweather loves training and always is, he always says he can get better iand to be honest helll ***ong yes hes improvng with each fight, his last one was basically perfect. I dont see him beatin marquez the way he did back when they were both lighter q few yrs ago.. Dont hate man the guy strives to be the best, he has a tremendous ego which is the energy that fuels him to continue to try and be the best, pac does it for the country sure for himself but i dont think as much as mayweather and thats the most important thing to do it for.. It seems like he wants to please his "master" the most.. He even called himself just an ordinary fighter at the press conference cuz hes ben humbled to much with his defeats.. Catch mayweather saying that wont happen. You need that fake ego fpr motivation, sure u can have other things, but thats wat counts the most, and will cause one to try and jmprove like mayweather is.

spell check

[S A M U R A I]

Not trying to debate & go back and forth about it. It was just my opinion of what I think he might weigh...thats all

OK. No worries. I thought he might have said he's gonna weigh exactly 154 and I'd missed it. To me he looked more like 160 against Marquez.



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[Benny Leonard]

One thing Pacquiao cant improve on his is Ring IQ & thats an area Mayweather will have the advantage in.......who cares about physical attributes. Skill & Smarts win fights

Yes, and not taking that away from Floyd. Agree: one of the smartest boxers of all time. And he understands how to adapt and time an opponent.

Even when Kostya Tszyu, a fighter that seemed to decline somewhat in attributes over the years...partly due to inactivity...still had his timing to KO speed like Judah...although it also took him more rounds to warm up in later years compared to his early days (even if the KO of Judah was early).

[Killa_Kali]

One thing Pacquiao cant improve on his is Ring IQ & thats an area Mayweather will have the advantage in.......who cares about physical attributes. Skill & Smarts win fights

pac has one of the best ring IQs at the moment. nobody expected him to do a rope-a-dope on cotto to lull him into a slugfest and open up the puerto rican's defense.

if you equate ring IQ with being on a bike all night long, be my guest.

[rao007]

I'll check the tapes:


But what about the fighters he fights as he moves up that talk abut his blazing speed?
What about Roach?

Pac puts his time in to improve and keep it up...he stays active.

Actually, David Diaz and Rashad said its not Pacquiao's hand speed it's his foot speed they are most impressed with...they had interviews recently.

[S A M U R A I]

Yo u r not so perceptive is thr nicest way to put it... Mayweather loves training and always is, he always says he can get better iand to be honest helll ***ong yes hes improvng with each fight, his last one was basically perfect. I dont see him beatin marquez the way he did back when they were both lighter q few yrs ago.. Dont hate man the guy strives to be the best, he has a tremendous ego which is the energy that fuels him to continue to try and be the best, pac does it for the country sure for himself but i dont think as much as mayweather and thats the most important thing to do it for.. It seems like he wants to please his "master" the most.. He even called himself just an ordinary fighter at the press conference cuz hes ben humbled to much with his defeats.. Catch mayweather saying that wont happen. You need that fake ego fpr motivation, sure u can have other things, but thats wat counts the most, and will cause one to try and jmprove like mayweather is.

Jesus. That was painful to read.

One thing Pacquiao cant improve on his is Ring IQ & thats an area Mayweather will have the advantage in.......who cares about physical attributes. Skill & Smarts win fights

I give up. If you cannot see the improvement in ring IQ, there's no hope for you Jiddu!

I agree with Harold Lederman, actually. Pacquiao has tremendous ring IQ these days.


I'm gonna tell some of you guys off now. Why can't you just type properly. Use line breaks and paragraphs. Get rid of the ****** unreadable fonts and Horus-style center aligning. Let's have a normal conversation for once. Christ. It's like if you were talking to someone and they kept putting flangers, echoes, and phasers and wah-wah on their voice. You'd be like "WTF!!? Stop!"



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[rao007]

Both Pacquiao and Mayweather train differently for speed. Mayweather is ALL about certain kinds of movements. It's mostly upperbody for the purposes of countering with right straight and jabs. Pacquiao on the other hand is just to throw punches while using his feet to get him into position. The Pacquiao-Cotto fight showed that CLEARLY. Pacquiao barely uses his upperbody other than for head movement. He hardly dips like Whitaker--he uses mostly his feet to get him out of harms way.

[S A M U R A I]

Pacquiao's entire body at times is just a blur. While it's possible his hand speed may have dropped very slightly, everything else is just ridiculous. It's like somebody fast-forwarding a video.



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[BOX-A-LOT]

Actually, David Diaz and Rashad said its not Pacquiao's hand speed it's his foot speed they are most impressed with...they had interviews recently.

Exactly man, that's exactly what I witnessed at WCG when I saw PAC up close. I knew the hands were fast, well, what blew my mind was he was even faster. And then, I looked at his feet, that's when I just thought to myself, un****in'real, the guy is a f**kin' whirlwind.

When watching PAC move around the ring, he looks like a video game character from Tekken or somethin'.