So how come Pac was able to get Better while Floyd declined?

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  • Benny Leonard
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    #1

    So how come Pac was able to get Better while Floyd declined?

    I was thinking about this and watching some tapes:

    Floyd's speed and flexibility (away from his punch-out-put) has seemingly declined on some level as he settled in at 147...while Pac has continually improved in many ways and has at least kept his speed unless some think it is better...don't know.

    So how come Pac was able to do it but not Floyd?

    Training, Nutrition...with Ariza and Roach's help?
    Of course.

    But why not Floyd?

    Well, maybe it was because unlike Pac who needed to get better because he did well but not "great" in the lower weight divisions knew that if he continued to fight on and move up he had to continually get better.
    So, he looked to advance himself with the help of Nutrition, Training set up by Ariza and Roach to help him become better technically. Hard Work and Study to improve.

    Floyd: well, after moving up to 147 and settling in, I guess it can be looked at as if he sat on his ass and when you do that, you decline. There is no need to improve and it is when you just try to maintain your ability you can actually start to slip with age. The way to beat age is to find new ways to stimulate your mind and body. Pac did it; Floyd may not have.

    Now if Floyd was forced to fight the best at 147 maybe that would have kicked his ass in gear to continually improve. Kind of like War. Those who settle in and get comfortable and don't have a major threat on the boarders, tend to become vulnerable and fade away while others who are constantly in warfare and have a fear level to survive, strive to continually improve to live.


    You have Sr. throwing out PEDs use against Pac...but maybe Sr. and little Floyd are "Old School" on their approach to athletics/boxing.
    Hopkins was like this throughout his MW career and he slowed down when he hit his 30's so he had to start pacing himself and picking and choosing when to fight during each round. He moves up to LH and he comes into the "Now" and hires a Pro...Mackie Shilstone...someone who is known to train some of the best athletes in the World to improve in the modern way. Hopkins became refreshed. Still declined compared to his early days but seemingly better than he was at MW.

    So who does Floyd have? Big Leonard? I don't know. I'm a bit ignorant on this subject with him. But one thing is for sure: he seemingly is not the same as he used to be and Pac has been able to continually increase weight and get better...as well as his willingness to add on to his arsenal.
    Now it wasn't a huge leap in technical ability as some may think it is...No...and it did take a long time to improve even slightly technically for Pac....but at least he put the effort in to get the desired results.
    Last edited by Benny Leonard; 11-18-2009, 12:08 AM.
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    #2
    Pac was fighting GREAT fighters south of 135. This is why he didn;t look like god there. No doubt in my mind Pacquiao would have destroyed the corrales and castillo floyd fought.

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    • Left Hook Tua
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      #3
      maybe floyd should try fighting 3 times a year and not taking 2 year breaks.

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      • big_james10
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        Originally posted by Benny Leonard
        I was thinking about this and watching some tapes:

        Floyd's speed and flexibility (away from his punch-out-put) has seemingly declined on some level as he settled in at 147...while Pac has continually improved in many ways and has at least kept his speed unless some think it is better...don't know.

        So how come Pac was able to do it but not Floyd?

        Training, Nutrition...with Ariza and Roach's help?
        Of course.

        But why not Floyd?

        Well, maybe it was because unlike Pac who needed to get better because he did well but not "great" in the lower weight divisions knew that if he continued to fight on and move up he had to continually get better.
        So, he looked to advance himself with the help of Nutrition, Training set up by Ariza and Roach to help him become better technically. Hard Work and Study to improve.

        Floyd: well, after moving up to 147 and settling in, I guess it can be looked at as if he sat on his ass and when you do that, you decline. There is no need to improve and it is when you just try to maintain your ability you can actually start to slip with age. The way to beat age is to find new ways to stimulate your mind and body. Pac did it; Floyd may not have.

        Now if Floyd was forced to fight the best at 147 maybe that would have kicked his ass in gear to continually improve. Kind of like War. Those who settle in and get comfortable and don't have a major threat on the boarders, tend to become vulnerable and fade away while others who are constantly in warfare and have a fear level to survive, strive to continually improve to live.


        You have Sr. throwing out PEDs use against Pac...but maybe Sr. and little Floyd are "Old School" on their approach to athletics/boxing.
        Hopkins was like this throughout his MW career and he slowed down when he hit his 30's so he had to start pacing himself and picking and choosing when to fight during each round. He moves up to LH and he comes into the "Now" and hires a Pro...Mackie Shilstone...someone who is known to train some of the best athletes in the World to improve in the modern way. Hopkins became refreshed. Still declined compared to his early days but seemingly better than he was at MW.

        So who does Floyd have? Big Leonard? I don't know. I'm a bit ignorant on this subject with him. But one thing is for sure: he seemingly is not the same as he used to be and Pac has been able to continually increase weight and get better...as well as his willingness to add on to his arsenal.
        Now it wasn't a huge leap in technical ability as some may think it is...No...and it did take a long time to improve even slightly technically for Pac....but at least he put the effort in to get the desired results.



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        Any info for me as well.
        What the hell have you been smoking? Floyd has not declined any. If he had, he would have lost a fight by now. Second, the only difference betweek Floyd at 147 and the lower weights is he is not as offensive-minded, meaning he doesn't throw as many combinations at 147 as he did previously. Pacquaio is the same come-forward, throw caution to the wind fighter he has always been. He has gotten away with that so far, but it will get him KO'd against Mayweather.

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        • Killa_Kali
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          because he avoided all top fighters since castillo? he's thinking, 'why train like hell if i can get gimme wins?"

          point 2. roger and senior are overrated. hell, they cant even predict the outcome of fights.

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          • Killa_Kali
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            #6
            Originally posted by big_james10
            What the hell have you been smoking? Floyd has not declined any. If he had, he would have lost a fight by now. Second, the only difference betweek Floyd at 147 and the lower weights is he is not as offensive-minded, meaning he doesn't throw as many combinations at 147 as he did previously. Pacquaio is the same come-forward, throw caution to the wind fighter he has always been. He has gotten away with that so far, but it will get him KO'd against Mayweather.
            i see floyd on his bike all night long. if pac walked through cotto's bombs, what will mayweather's powderpuff punches be like?

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            • VERDUGO
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              Filipinos are quick learner.


              true story

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              • DLT
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                #8
                Originally posted by killakali
                because he avoided all top fighters since castillo? he's thinking, 'why train like hell if i can get gimme wins?"

                point 2. roger and senior are overrated. hell, they cant even predict the outcome of fights.
                so now Floyd doesnt train also? Too funny

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                • rao007
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                  I think people forget--Pacquiao's former conditioning coach was Justin Fortune---who had absolutely NO knowledge of sports medicine--no degree. Alexa Ariza is the first TRUE conditioning coach Pacquiao has had since the Marquez II fight that's nearly 8 years. They should've fired Fortune a long time ago.

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                  • BOX-A-LOT
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                    Short answer: PAC is 50 - 3 Floyd is 40 - 0

                    Floyd's attitude is basically, I'm at the top of the mountain, ain't no one even come close. What's their to improve on, it doesn't get any higher than being undefeated!

                    PAC on the other hand, has had his trials and tribulations inside the squared circle, he didn't have an "easy" road to the top the way Floyd did.
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                    Floyd came from a line of boxers, he has been eatin', drinkin', sleepin' boxing since he was in his diapers.

                    PAC obviously had ****ty coaches prior to Freddy and got by on athleticism and sheer grit and hardwork.

                    Floyd's boxing acumen today is still notches above PAC's.

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