Is the winner of Pacquiao-Mayweather immediately deemed the best fighter of this era?

[SkillspayBills]

**** yes. Anyone who says differently is a ****riding ******, either side that says "no"" I don't care who you are a fan of. The debate is only between these two men, so when they get it on in the ring, that will decide who the best fighter of this era is.

[Syf]

That is not true Bruseles was not a build up for a cotto fight. Floyd-Bruseles fight was a WBC eliminator fight. It was a lead up to the Gatti fight. If you listen to the post fight interview. They were talking about Gatti winning his next fight. There was nothing about Cotto.

It wasn't in the live broadcast, true, but it was talked about. And Cotto did pick Brus to beat Floyd. Then when Floyd humiliatingly dismantled Brus, that talk faded away. And so did Cotto.

Its of note too that Cotto was at the Gatti fight..watching that massacre..as was Hatton. Both didn't look too comfortable.

But, anyways Pac is the best fighter of this decade and is the greatest figther of this generation. Whatever happens on a head-to-head match up does not change it.

Duran always ranks higher than Hearns and Hagler. Pep ranks higher than Saddler. Nopoles is usually ranked higher than Monzon, Hopkins ranks higher than Taylor, Jones ranks higher than Tarver even though all these fighters lossed in a head-to-head match up they still rank higher. Pac would still rank higher than Floyd even IF Pac losses in a head-to-head match up.

All good points in the bold. But Floyd is no Monzon, Tarver, or Taylor.

[jrosales13]

People like a KO artist. Floyd gets them sometimes, but he's far from a KO artist nowadays, at this weight.

Guaranteed if he had fought those fighters you mentioned, and only won them with decision victories, they would be downplayed, and the remaining fighters would be propped up.

And I just defended Pac in another thread a few posts ago, so you are barking up the wrong tree there, buddy.

There would of been no way those wins get downplayed. That is just something Floyd says an excuse and his fans run with it. Floyd gets credit for the Castillo rematch, Floyd gets credit the Chicanito fight, Floyd gets credit for Corrales, Floyd gets credit for Manfreddy. Floyd would of gotten credit so much credit if after almost a 2yr layoff would of fought Pac, Mosley, Cotto, or even Clottey. Floyd would of gotten so much more credit if he would of fought Forrest or Spinks over Oscar. How could somebody downplay a victory over Winky Wright at 154? Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Margarito over a victory of Judah who was coming off a loss. Nobody would of downplay a victory of Harris over Bruseles. Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Spadafora or Johnston over Ndou and Sosa. Nobody would of downplayed a victory over Cotto or Shane. It just wouldn't happen. Again that is something Floyd says just to look good and his fans run with it.

[jrosales13]

**** yes. Anyone who says differently is a ****riding ******, either side that says "no"" I don't care who you are a fan of. The debate is only between these two men, so when they get it on in the ring, that will decide who the best fighter of this era is.

Who ranks higher Pep or Saddler? A lot of people still rank Duran higher than Leonard. Sometimes is not about a head-to-head match up

[Chups]

No...................................

[Vasyl’s dad]

**** yes. Anyone who says differently is a ****riding ******, either side that says "no"" I don't care who you are a fan of. The debate is only between these two men, so when they get it on in the ring, that will decide who the best fighter of this era is.

So, Tarver had a better career and legacy than Jones?

[Vasyl’s dad]

People like a KO artist. Floyd gets them sometimes, but he's far from a KO artist nowadays, at this weight.

Guaranteed if he had fought those fighters you mentioned, and only won them with decision victories, they would be downplayed, and the remaining fighters would be propped up.

And I just defended Pac in another thread a few posts ago, so you are barking up the wrong tree there, buddy.

Guarantee he would have been given the proper respect by boxing fans had he taken those fights.

Because thats what we as boxing fans want to see, win or lose, the best fight the best.

Floyd just doesn't do that.



But yea,
I hate to ask again, but,
What was your favorite moment in these fights?

Floyd v Margarito
Floyd v Cotto
Floyd v Shane
Floyd v Paul

[Vasyl’s dad]

All good points in the bold. But Floyd is no Monzon, Tarver, or Taylor.

we know,

he'll never be on that level of fearlessness.


He'll sit there and yap about how good he is,

but in reality,

well, in boxing,

we judge a fighter by who they fought, not just by how a fighter says they can beat someone.

[Vasyl’s dad]

There would of been no way those wins get downplayed. That is just something Floyd says an excuse and his fans run with it. Floyd gets credit for the Castillo rematch, Floyd gets credit the Chicanito fight, Floyd gets credit for Corrales, Floyd gets credit for Manfreddy. Floyd would of gotten credit so much credit if after almost a 2yr layoff would of fought Pac, Mosley, Cotto, or even Clottey. Floyd would of gotten so much more credit if he would of fought Forrest or Spinks over Oscar. How could somebody downplay a victory over Winky Wright at 154? Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Margarito over a victory of Judah who was coming off a loss. Nobody would of downplay a victory of Harris over Bruseles. Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Spadafora or Johnston over Ndou and Sosa. Nobody would of downplayed a victory over Cotto or Shane. It just wouldn't happen. Again that is something Floyd says just to look good and his fans run with it.

Exactly, only Floyd stans say people downplay his victories but don't realize they do it themselves when they claim so and so opponent is only a "_ class " fighter.

They said Margarito was too slow and wide looping with his punches and Floyd would UD or stop Tony on cuts.

They said Cotto was too green, not fast enough and chinny.

They said Shane was a sparring partner.

*****s say this ****, not boxing fans.

[jrosales13]

It wasn't in the live broadcast, true, but it was talked about. And Cotto did pick Brus to beat Floyd. Then when Floyd humiliatingly dismantled Brus, that talk faded away. And so did Cotto.

There was no talk about Cotto during the Bruseles fight. The talks with Cotto was after the Gatti fight.

Its of note too that Cotto was at the Gatti fight..watching that massacre..as was Hatton. Both didn't look too comfortable.

On a side note both Hatton and Cotto would of beat Gatti that night.

All good points in the bold. But Floyd is no Monzon, Tarver, or Taylor.

Floyd is not Tarver or Taylor your right. But, lets not forget our history and not act like Monzon is not ATG. We can not forget what Monzon accomplished. It is not a sure thing that Floyd ranks higher all time than Monzon. That could be debated. Floyd and Monzon are on the same level. And, if Floyd is higher it is really not by much. But, still Monzon does not rank higher than Napoles even though Monzon beat Napoles. Still Saddler is not higher than Pep even though Saddler beat Pep. Some people rank Duran higher than Leonard. Is not about the head-to-head match up. It is all about what you accomplished and what your resume looks like during that era. And, Pac resume and accomplishments surpasses Floyds.