Is the winner of Pacquiao-Mayweather immediately deemed the best fighter of this era?

[jrv1932]

No, Pac already is.

No matter what happens in the head to head matchup,

just like Tarver and Jones,

nobody will say Antonio was a better fighter than Roy, despite what happened when they faced off.

Thats not a good comparison at all. Floyd has accomplished way more than tarver ever did. Tarver made his whole career on that win while Floyd has been in the top half of the P4P for a decade. Bottom line this fight determines who is the best and comparing Tarvers career to Floyds is a joke.

[Chups]

All good points in the bold. But Floyd is no Monzon, Tarver, or Taylor.

WTF? Monzon is ranked higher than Floyd in ATG.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Thats not a good comparison at all. Floyd has accomplished way more than tarver ever did. Tarver made his whole career on that win while Floyd has been in the top half of the P4P for a decade. Bottom line this fight determines who is the best and comparing Tarvers career to Floyds is a joke.

lol, you're too ****** to even get it.


Roy Jones is the more accomplished boxer and got beat head to head.

Manny Pacquiao is more accomplished than Floyd Mayweather.

What are you trying to dispute?

[Syf]

There would of been no way those wins get downplayed. That is just something Floyd says an excuse and his fans run with it. Floyd gets credit for the Castillo rematch, Floyd gets credit the Chicanito fight, Floyd gets credit for Corrales, Floyd gets credit for Manfreddy. Floyd would of gotten credit so much credit if after almost a 2yr layoff would of fought Pac, Mosley, Cotto, or even Clottey. Floyd would of gotten so much more credit if he would of fought Forrest or Spinks over Oscar. How could somebody downplay a victory over Winky Wright at 154? Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Margarito over a victory of Judah who was coming off a loss. Nobody would of downplay a victory of Harris over Bruseles. Nobody would of downplayed a victory of Spadafora or Johnston over Ndou and Sosa. Nobody would of downplayed a victory over Cotto or Shane. It just wouldn't happen. Again that is something Floyd says just to look good and his fans run with it.

Spadafora? Harris? Heh. You are naming those who remain, as I outlined before. I know for damn sure a Clottey win would have been treated along the lines of... a Corley win. Because Floyd would make Clottey look average.

Think hypothetically. Why is it so outlandish to say a Winky Wright win would be downplayed? They would say...what? That Winky had a great defense, but Floyd was just the right equation to crack it.. or something like that. Or that Winky was aging.. Or any number of other things. I mean, they discredit the hell outta the DLH win at 154.. WW wouldn't be much different.

I've heard discrediting of all his wins, pretty much, including Corrales, including Castillo. Some people, do in fact, do that. Middle of the roaders like myself see both sides.

Now, I'm not calling you a one sider entirely, but you are leaning more in one direction than in another.

[Syf]

There was no talk about Cotto during the Bruseles fight. The talks with Cotto was after the Gatti fight.

will you at least give me that Cotto picked Brus to beat Floyd?

On a side note both Hatton and Cotto would of beat Gatti that night.

Probably.

Floyd is not Tarver or Taylor your right. But, lets not forget our history and not act like Monzon is not ATG. We can not forget what Monzon accomplished. It is not a sure thing that Floyd ranks higher all time than Monzon. That could be debated. Floyd and Monzon are on the same level. And, if Floyd is higher it is really not by much. But, still Monzon does not rank higher than Napoles even though Monzon beat Napoles. Still Saddler is not higher than Pep even though Saddler beat Pep. Some people rank Duran higher than Leonard. Is not about the head-to-head match up. It is all about what you accomplished and what your resume looks like during that era. And, Pac resume and accomplishments surpasses Floyds.

If you look at purely records, Monzon might have a leg up, but Monzon to me is from a different era of boxing. Back when fights were far more frequent, but less impacting. As far as who has impacted their respective eras more, I gotta roll with Floyd on that one.

[hugh grant]

No. If PBF beats Pac its just an opportunity for PBF to close the gap on Pac.
Kirkland laing beat Duran, but isnt considered a better fighter than Duran, probably because on paper people think Duran achieved more.
Randolph turpin after beating SRR once probably wasnt considered a better figher than SRR as well, just because he beat him. Because SRR was considered to have done more in his career.

PBF hasnt excited in his career. He meekly beat DLH, when SSM beat a prime DLH. Why couldnt PBF beat DLH more convincinly? It all counts against PBF.

[jrv1932]

lol, you're too ****** to even get it.


Roy Jones is the more accomplished boxer and got beat head to head.

Manny Pacquiao is more accomplished than Floyd Mayweather.

What are you trying to dispute?

Your such a nuthugger that you cant see the holes in your logic. Im a fan of both but to compare tarvers resume to floyds is a joke. They both have great resumes(floyd and manny) floyd beating pac isnt the same as tarver beating roy. It wouldnt shock the world. If floyd wins people would say it was expected while if manny wins people would go nuts. That should tell you everything right there.

[Shaun Oliver]

pac's already got that in the bag win lose or draw.

[hugh grant]

If floyd wins people would say it was expected while if manny wins people would go nuts. That should tell you everything right there.

No, get it right. Pac is the favourite and if PBF beats Pac it will be an upset. If you cant knock out JMM, you wont be favourite against someone who knocked out Cotto.

If Manny wins people would go nuts, but only because people go nuts for Pac all the time anyway. And even more so against PBF probably because someone shut PBFs gob.

[Vasyl’s dad]

Your such a nuthugger that you cant see the holes in your logic. Im a fan of both but to compare tarvers resume to floyds is a joke. They both have great resumes(floyd and manny) floyd beating pac isnt the same as tarver beating roy. It wouldnt shock the world. If floyd wins people would say it was expected while if manny wins people would go nuts. That should tell you everything right there.

good ****ing lord, you are incredibly ******.

Its not about resumes you **** brain.

Its about Jones being the more accomplished fighter, as Pacquiao is, and Tarver beating Jones as Floyd might.



again, Manny is by far, the more accomplished fighter. Thats a fact, just as Jones was the more accomplished fighter. Tarver winning the head to head matchup has no bearing on Jones being the more accomplished fighter, or being in the running for "best fighter of his era".

Jones is in that discussion, Tarver isn't.

Do I need to explain in another language?

I don't speak "dumb****", so you'll have to excuse me while I find a translator.