Cotto's Rebuilding Needs a New Trainer, The Right Fights

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  • ShoguNinja
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    #61
    I got Respect for COTTO! Tough Kid!

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    • thatjamaicanguy
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      #62
      i agree with tark.

      joe's attitude tells you how much he shouldn't be a trainer. At the weigh-in he was acting like a fan.

      also in the fight against pac and clottey, that whenever cotto was under fire, that he would back up-skip around-and put his back to the ropes. I think he developed this habit in the Margarito fight to avoid Marg's combos. He didn't do this in the Mosely or Judah fight. He moved his head in those fights.

      just like Freddy said, Miguel is making fundamental mistakes, and he needs to be corrected

      but i'm not trying to take away from Pacman. Pacman is an awesome fighter, him and roach is a deadly combo

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      • HumanNature
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        #63
        I don't think he should get into a ring to fight Margarito a lost against him would be morally devastating.

        I can't imagine how he would feel.

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        • Kdogg26
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          #64
          Manny was unbelievable last night! He is an excellent fighter and just amazes me everytime out, he is an out and out Legend.

          Saying that my favourite fighter is Miguel Cotto. I am heart broken after sitting through that fight last night. Santiago is definately not good enough to be in the corner, but I do not blame him, I blame Cotto. Miguel is just to stubborn in his ways and I do not think he likes authority at all. Granted Evangelista is a hard head and they both have the same personalities, which is where the trouble came from in the first place.

          I do not think Cotto will do well with Steward, Nazeem, Nacho, maybe he would do well with Roach, but I do not see that after the crap he talked before the fight, Miguel has too much pride.

          I have a sneaking suspision that Miguel might reconcile with his Uncle, but it is hard to see due to the stubborness of both men. I think that the best trainer for Miguel is Evangelista. Look at the Mosely fight when they were on good terms, he boxed a Master Class. They need to kiss and make up and finish the Career they started together.

          Now to the people that say 2 pounds does not matter obviously do not know much. If two pounds does not matter why did'nt Manny fight at 147? Ask yourselves that question. I think Miguel definately was not himself last night, although he had a good 1st round.

          Manny just stood still a few times and Cotto actually hesitated to let his hands go, which he never did before. The Torres fight is a prime example. Even after Torres rocked Cotto to his core, Cotto was not afraid to let his hands go afterwards.

          Cotto's right hand was so slow and tlegraphed, I would have seen it coming! He was just not there after Manny started to attack. He did not have it in him.

          Something is up with Cotto and only he knows what it is, be it mental or physical, he needs to sort it out before he gets back in the ring. He is too good to come back and to loose to someone not on his level, which will probably happen if he does not sort his problems out.

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          • seasider
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            #65
            I think Santiago has a future ahead of him as a trainer but he probably bit off more than he could chew trying to match wits with Freddie Roach. He was giving Cotto some good advice early in the fight but after the first knockdown his corner strangely turned into a cheerleading section with his father giving him kisses. The look on his face was that of someone who didn't know what to do.

            I'm not for firing Santiago as he is important to Cotto as Buboy Fernandez is to Pacquiao. He should however be demoted to Asst. Trainer and then Cotto should find someone with a proven track record. I don't see Roach being a good fit. Their personalities would clash all the time. Steward might work but with Cotto, it has to be someone he is comfortable with and trusts. Not sure about Nacho either. My guess is that he'll stick with Santiago for now and if things so south, he'll try to reconcile with his uncle.

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            • Dave Rado
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              #66
              Originally posted by prsi
              I beleive that he needs a trainer that can improve his defense more than his offense, therefore a trainer like ****m or Emannuell Stewart will be my picks. His offense is pretty good but his problems even In victories, is that he has been getting hit too much and that also affects his stamina towards the end of the fight.

              Who do you think may be good for him Dave?
              I agree with you about the defence. I doubt Nazeem would consider it because of Mosley, though. I'd like to see him try Steward. Do you think it would work psychologically though? Cotto is very strong minded and I don't know if Steward is strict enough to cope with that strong-mindedness.

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              • rsheker
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                #67
                Originally posted by davak777
                No more catch weights Cotto was a 147 champion and lost this belt at 145 now you tell me this is a guy that makes 144 by eating and training with health and the other has to stop eating just to make the weight who is gonna feel better?
                Cotto knocked himself out by letting roach dictate everything if pacquiao is so special why doesnt he fight at 147 ?true champion would not ask for catch weight .
                cotto needs a new trainer and leave that margarito fight behind and get better contracts no more starvin himself to fight he ****en blew mannys ear out
                would you rather see manny pacquiao fighting smaller 130lb'ers ?

                Originally posted by davak777
                If you think that I am lying look at cotto in round 3 and 4 had many in the ropes couldnt let his hands go no energy . that called over trained and weight drained no legs he was tierd before he threw a punch .
                because on those rounds he got Knocked down, manny was testing miguels strenght during the first couple of rounds and when manny was confident he can stand toe-to-toe with miguel, the fight changed.

                Originally posted by Kdogg26

                Now to the people that say 2 pounds does not matter obviously do not know much. If two pounds does not matter why did'nt Manny fight at 147? Ask yourselves that question. I think Miguel definately was not himself last night, although he had a good 1st round.
                freddie roach said he doesnt care if miguel goes in the ring weighting 200#.
                but let me ask you this, if you handt known the outcome fo the pacquiao-cotto fight, who would you rather see fight, cotto vs pacquiao at 145# or cotto or williams at 147?

                obviuysoly, cotto can be like mayweather, come in during the wight-in 2-3# heavier, the fight will still go ob but he'll jsut have to pay a fine. if i were miguel, i'd go in at 147 and pay the fine. enough with the cathweight excuses.

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                • freedom213
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                  #68
                  Not to belabour this topic but first and foremost Cotto needs to seek solice dig deep and find out if he still wants to fight. Then he needs to seek the advice of an unbiased physician take some tests to see if mentally he is showing signs of damage. If he wants to continue the only way to move forward is to get a new trainer including A FITNESS TRAINER who seems to get Cotto in tremendous shape but not improving his stamina. Cotto needs to find someone who can improve his right hand, improve his defense and correct some of the mistakes he makes over and over. Arum should hook him up with these people and also be the one to give him some hard honest advice. The Cotto that fought Manny definitely looked a little, not a lot but a little shop worn compared to the Cotto that fought Shane and the stand out was the lack of strategy that seemed to be missing. Seeing Cotto get clobbered at the end of that fight was a sad sight but I would have felt the same if it had been Pac. Both guys are truly class acts and we as boxing fans owe them for what they give.

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                  • bacardishots
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                    #69
                    Give manny his props

                    Leading up to this fight I was almost sure that my boy Cotto was not only going to win, but he was going to bust Manny's ass. This fight drasticly change my thoughts on Manny. I thought Manny was at his best at 135 and when he moved up to fight Dela Hoya I thought he was going to get his ass whooped. Didn't happen. Manny smoked him. The Hatton fight was a little different. I never did like Hatton but I still had him beating Manny. Didn't happen. Against my beloved Cotto I figured that too many people were focused on the two victories with DLH and Hatton and that Cotto was going to be totally different. Didn't happen. So now the talk is Mayweather. Before this fight I always said that neither Cotto or Pac could deal with Mayweather's style. I kind of still feel the same but now it's hard for me to go against Manny. To tell you the truth I think Manny will lose when least expected. But who would be least expected to win against the phenom? I know the steroids rumor is going to rear it's ugly head. I pray that none of that **** is true. For all the folks who hate on Manny, stop and think about it. We are witnessing something that we can tell our grand kids. That's we saw one of the greatest fighters to ever lace them up.

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                    • Hopkiller
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                      #70
                      Theres just something that cant be rebuild. He needs a long break long break. But it might not make a difference. He's been hurt pretty badly and if he can't be better beyong 6 rounds he will not beat any top fighter. They all know thats his achilles heel.

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