Richardson, Dundee, Shields, McGirt Pick Pacquiao-Cotto

[Clint650]

love reading what the experts have to say. things are still pretty even.

I'm leaning towards Cotto. Pac is amazing, and I know Roach has a great gameplan, but that can all go out the window if Pac can't take Cotto's power. It's why Freddie keeps saying Manny will KO him early. He knows the longer this fight goes, chances of his boy finishing without a scratch is unlikely.

[Beater_of_ass]

Pacman always in trouble during their 2 fights with JMM and JMM is a better fighter than Cotto. The only difference between the two is Cotto is a stronger fighter (no doubt because of his weight). But I really can't see Cotto can give Pacman a problem like what JMM did. Pacman is now a complete fighter unlike his last fight with JMM. He is so mature and can easily adjust to any kinds of style. And I am really sure Cotto can't hit the Pacman. yes he can in a later rounds but sad to say this won't last long. Even if he has a very strong punch but the thing is, you can't hurt what you can't hit.

Um... you have no clue what you are talking about. Manny is a complete offensive machine, no doubt, but he's anything BUT a complete fighter. He has almost no defense whatsoever, which is the reason he had so many problems with Marquez, because he can be countered. Also, he can be forced back and Cotto does the countering well, and he's just as good as Manny offensively but also with better defense. Cotto is BY FAR a more complete fighter than Manny. Does Manny do things better? But if you measure each of their skills... Offense, Defense, Countering, Footwork etc, Cotto would have the advantage. It might not be enough to necessarily win, (I think it will be) but as a complete fighter there isn't even a point to disagree on.

[bluetuazon]

i see more & more jumping on my cotto by late KO bandwagon lol i guess reality is starting 2 set in
"dallas"

its good ur setting ur hopes high....lol

[bluetuazon]

Good luck on that one, Edgar.

i think edgar is on a time machine mode....lol

[bluetuazon]

Um... you have no clue what you are talking about. Manny is a complete offensive machine, no doubt, but he's anything BUT a complete fighter. He has almost no defense whatsoever, which is the reason he had so many problems with Marquez, because he can be countered. Also, he can be forced back and Cotto does the countering well, and he's just as good as Manny offensively but also with better defense. Cotto is BY FAR a more complete fighter than Manny. Does Manny do things better? But if you measure each of their skills... Offense, Defense, Countering, Footwork etc, Cotto would have the advantage. It might not be enough to necessarily win, (I think it will be) but as a complete fighter there isn't even a point to disagree on.

saying manny cant play defense is a lil bit rude in his part...atleast on the 3 past fights that he had...he was untouched...

imo u are overrating cottos defense...cotto cuts easily...and u know what costs that...its either by a headbutt or by punches....if cotto cuts in this fight....its going to be difficult for him to catch up against manny...manny is a finisher....

[prsi]

Naz don't know what he's talking about. Pac is too small. you will see it in this fight.

its size vs. speed.... and usually the good big man beats the good little man.

all these guy kinda leaning towards cotto... except ****m (who doesn't think pac is small). why? becuase cotto has no excuse losing to a former 106 lber.

Pathetic as usual!!!!
Know we have to beleive that you know more than Naz!!!! Good luck with that!!
Here's a copy/paste from my previous post because i know you like the copy/paste function so read below.

cotto stans are so emotional...

bottom line cotto is the bigger guy and shouldn't lose to someone coming up in weight. that's shameful.

It is not that we are so emotional and it has not been only the Cotto stans that has have expose you with your pathetic theory of the former 106lbs. If you don't beleive me look at the responses on this thread to your post from everybody. You have been exposed over and over again.

We all know that Cotto will be heavier but Pacman has a great chance of winning becaiuse of other advantages that he has against Cotto. We all know your stans about "Cotto being to big, and how he shouldn't lose to a former 106lbs and Cotto would walk thru Pacman's punches" etc.....

But you know what is "SHAMEFUL"? People like you posting here with so many pathetic stans and lack of credibility and I dont want you, to beleive me, that's why I have brought several of your own past post contradicting yourself, to expose you again.

doesn't matter, pac is way faster than cotto. cotto can't beat pac with his boxing skills, if cotto tries and box, he will get cut up.

cotto is not a better boxer than pac.

if cotto counterpunches he will get lit up... he won't be able to handle the speed.

What is it Pullcounter??? Either Cotto is too big and should not lose to a former 106 lbs (theory on which you have been exposed already) or is Pacman going to beat Cotto with his boxing skills and speed. You can't have it both ways.

IF YOU ASK ME YOU CONTINUE TO BE PATHETIC, EXPOSED AND YOU HAVE JUST LOST YOUR CREDIBILTY (IF ANY) IN THIS FORUM.

IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE EMOTIONAL, IT'S THAT MOST OF US HERE, WHETHER WE ARE FROM COTTO'S STANS OR NOT, ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN POSTERS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!

[IMDAZED]

Pathetic as usual!!!!
Know we have to beleive that you know more than Naz!!!! Good luck with that!!
Here's a copy/paste from my previous post because i know you like the copy/paste function so read below.


It is not that we are so emotional and it has not been only the Cotto stans that has have expose you with your pathetic theory of the former 106lbs. If you don't beleive me look at the responses on this thread to your post from everybody. You have been exposed over and over again.

We all know that Cotto will be heavier but Pacman has a great chance of winning becaiuse of other advantages that he has against Cotto. We all know your stans about "Cotto being to big, and how he shouldn't lose to a former 106lbs and Cotto would walk thru Pacman's punches" etc.....

But you know what is "SHAMEFUL"? People like you posting here with so many pathetic stans and lack of credibility and I dont want you, to beleive me, that's why I have brought several of your own past post contradicting yourself, to expose you again.







What is it Pullcounter??? Either Cotto is too big and should not lose to a former 106 lbs (theory on which you have been exposed already) or is Pacman going to beat Cotto with his boxing skills and speed. You can't have it both ways.

IF YOU ASK ME YOU CONTINUE TO BE PATHETIC, EXPOSED AND YOU HAVE JUST LOST YOUR CREDIBILTY (IF ANY) IN THIS FORUM.

IT'S NOT THAT WE ARE EMOTIONAL, IT'S THAT MOST OF US HERE, WHETHER WE ARE FROM COTTO'S STANS OR NOT, ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN POSTERS LIKE YOU!!!!!!!

He has no response for this. Quite frankly, I would've ignored the 106lb comment until I realized he was repeating it because he has some agenda. Disgusting.

[prsi]

He has no response for this. Quite frankly, I would've ignored the 106lb comment until I realized he was repeating it because he has some agenda. Disgusting.

Totally agreed, that why every time I get a chance I expose him for what he really is "A FALSE"

[Beater_of_ass]

saying manny cant play defense is a lil bit rude in his part...atleast on the 3 past fights that he had...he was untouched...

imo u are overrating cottos defense...cotto cuts easily...and u know what costs that...its either by a headbutt or by punches....if cotto cuts in this fight....its going to be difficult for him to catch up against manny...manny is a finisher....

First, lets start with Cotto defense. I love how you mention he gets cut, either by headbutt or punches. Putting idiotic comments like getting cut by a headbutt is the worst argument you could have used as your "defense." Everyone gets cut by headbutts at some point, its not something anyone can help. Manny's been cut by a headbutt, so I guess we can put that he's prone to being cut as well? Or, are you saying that Manny should headbutt in order to open a cut? I'm not saying soft skin doesn't matter when comparing fighters, but using headbutts as an excuse for it... come on man. The last time Cotto was cut by a punch (not counting Marg's brick hands) was in the Judah fight. Aside from there the only times he's been busted open are by headbutts, the soft skin angle doesn't work on Cotto, sorry.

As for Manny's defense... just because Manny didn't get touched by an old ass DLH doesn't mean ****. But guess what... HE WAS hit by an old ass DLH, and he caught Manny with a flush body shot which backed Manny onto the ropes and allowed DLH to land 3 straight left hooks. Oscar doesn't even know how to cut off the ring and he was still able to Manny on the ropes. Then we have Hatton who is ****, but he had NO problems getting to Manny he was all over him. Except... Manny fought a guy who actually has even worse defense than him and when you put an offensive wizard like Manny into the ring with a guy who uses his chin as his guard of course he's going to be laid out.

You are a typical Pacfan though and nothing I'm going to tell you is going to sink because you think Manny is God. I'm also 99% sure you never saw any of Manny's fights with Marquez, as you'd see exactly what I'm talking about in which Manny has no defense. If Manny is backed up the very first thing he does is cover is head, not with his gloves but with his elbows. He leaves his entire lower body exposed, that is not good defense. Manny also doesn't get hit because his offensive agility and in/out movement is so solid. Essentially his offense is his defense, which is great I'm taking nothing away from him whatsoever, but backing up on the DEFENSIVE Manny is NOT Floyd, nowhere near it. Cotto's defense isn't superb, but it isn't bad either. Watch the Clottey fight again, Cotto landed about 25% or so of his punches on Clottey and up until the cut Clottey's connect percentage was the same maybe a percentage or two higher. Same with the Mosley fight, Cotto's connect percentage was roughly the same as Mosley's. Cotto gets hit with some hard shots, but so does Manny when he faces a high quality opponent, none of which the last three were.

[bluetuazon]

First, lets start with Cotto defense. I love how you mention he gets cut, either by headbutt or punches. Putting idiotic comments like getting cut by a headbutt is the worst argument you could have used as your "defense." Everyone gets cut by headbutts at some point, its not something anyone can help. Manny's been cut by a headbutt, so I guess we can put that he's prone to being cut as well? Or, are you saying that Manny should headbutt in order to open a cut? I'm not saying soft skin doesn't matter when comparing fighters, but using headbutts as an excuse for it... come on man. The last time Cotto was cut by a punch (not counting Marg's brick hands) was in the Judah fight. Aside from there the only times he's been busted open are by headbutts, the soft skin angle doesn't work on Cotto, sorry.

As for Manny's defense... just because Manny didn't get touched by an old ass DLH doesn't mean ****. But guess what... HE WAS hit by an old ass DLH, and he caught Manny with a flush body shot which backed Manny onto the ropes and allowed DLH to land 3 straight left hooks. Oscar doesn't even know how to cut off the ring and he was still able to Manny on the ropes. Then we have Hatton who is ****, but he had NO problems getting to Manny he was all over him. Except... Manny fought a guy who actually has even worse defense than him and when you put an offensive wizard like Manny into the ring with a guy who uses his chin as his guard of course he's going to be laid out.

You are a typical Pacfan though and nothing I'm going to tell you is going to sink because you think Manny is God. I'm also 99% sure you never saw any of Manny's fights with Marquez, as you'd see exactly what I'm talking about in which Manny has no defense. If Manny is backed up the very first thing he does is cover is head, not with his gloves but with his elbows. He leaves his entire lower body exposed, that is not good defense. Manny also doesn't get hit because his offensive agility and in/out movement is so solid. Essentially his offense is his defense, which is great I'm taking nothing away from him whatsoever, but backing up on the DEFENSIVE Manny is NOT Floyd, nowhere near it. Cotto's defense isn't superb, but it isn't bad either. Watch the Clottey fight again, Cotto landed about 25% or so of his punches on Clottey and up until the cut Clottey's connect percentage was the same maybe a percentage or two higher. Same with the Mosley fight, Cotto's connect percentage was roughly the same as Mosley's. Cotto gets hit with some hard shots, but so does Manny when he faces a high quality opponent, none of which the last three were.

dude, i understand ur side of the coin...but i have a different take on it...and calling my response idiotic is a bit too much...if i dont agree with you with most of the things u post then im idiotic??...to each his own...and im not a typical pacfan...i love boxers who challenges himself...i both love cotto and pac but i only have to choose one....and i choose pac...ive watched the marq/pac 1 and 2 more than a couple of times...marq gave pac hell and that was a lesson for pac...lets see if he corrected his mistakes already...manny is not my god....dude think first before u write something that will hurt a person...im catholic...and pac is not my god...i dont know if u believe in god...but i doesnt bother me if u do or u dont...i simply dont care...but just to be clear...pac is no god....i just happen to like it when he fights...i get my moneys worth...
i may not be a boxing expert like YOU or the other guys who posts here like they are some kind of so called GURUs who is trying to dissect a fighter to the core but i understand the sport fair enough for me to give my take on things...its a matter of respect....if u dont like it..i dont lose sleep over it....u can have all the knowledge about boxing...i hope u make it to HBO or ESPN....lol