Can Pacquiao "The God" Knockdown Clottey with a Jab like Cotto did????????

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  • IMDAZED
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    #21
    Originally posted by Pullcounter
    it's lucky because he caught clottey off balance.

    you need to distinguishe between the time of the jab and the reason for knock down itself (clottey was off balance).

    the jab was well timed, but the knockdown was lucky.
    He was off balance, yes. Lucky? No. It was a counter left from Cotto, the only reason why it caught Clottey off balance was because he was in the process of throwing a hook himself. It was a very well-timed counter.

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    • Pullcounter
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      #22
      Originally posted by IMDAZED
      He was off balance, yes. Lucky? No. It was a counter left from Cotto, the only reason why it caught Clottey off balance was because he was in the process of throwing a hook himself. It was a very well-timed counter.
      we are basically saying the same thing...

      the timing of the jab was good, but the knockdown was lucky.

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      • IMDAZED
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        #23
        Originally posted by Pullcounter
        we are basically saying the same thing...

        the timing of the jab was good, but the knockdown was lucky.
        No, we're not. The timing of the jab caused the knockdown. That's usually how KD's occur.

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        • roby_acer
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          #24
          Oh my god who cares?

          Clottey damn near quit in the fight anyway,the ref had to tell him to be a champ and continue.

          Pacquiao doesn't need to knock people down with jabs like cotto does cuz he doesnt use his jab to much anyway.

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          • Pullcounter
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            #25
            Originally posted by IMDAZED
            No, we're not. The timing of the jab caused the knockdown. That's usually how KD's occur.
            correction: the timing of the jab initiated the knockdown, but the knockdown was caused by clottey being off balance.

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            • oc9979
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              #26
              Originally posted by Pullcounter
              it was lucky...

              the punch was well timed, but cotto had no intention to knockdown clottey, hence lucky.
              so was it luck hatton knocked down against floyd? Hatton jumped in. If he would of not jump he wouldn't gotten knocked out.

              or pacquiao knocking down hatton?? Hatton jumped in as well. Pacquiao threw the straight left without looking. He just threw it out there

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                #27
                Originally posted by Pullcounter
                correction: the timing of the jab initiated the knockdown, but the knockdown was caused by clottey being off balance.
                Why stop there? Why was Clottey off balance?

                If you want to say Clottey wasn't hurt, I agree.

                If you want to say Clottey was off balance, I agree.

                If you want to say the knockdown was luck? Uhh...no.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by oc9979
                  so was it luck hatton knocked down against floyd? Hatton jumped in. If he would of not jump he wouldn't gotten knocked out.

                  or pacquiao knocking down hatton?? Hatton jumped in as well. Pacquiao threw the straight left without looking. He just threw it out there
                  I fail to understand why this isn't making sense to people.

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                  • Pullcounter
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by oc9979
                    so was it luck hatton knocked down against floyd?
                    no

                    Hatton jumped in. If he would of not jump he wouldn't gotten knocked out.
                    the check hook was skill and timing... the intent was to hurt hatton.

                    or pacquiao knocking down hatton?? Hatton jumped in as well. Pacquiao threw the straight left without looking. He just threw it out there
                    nope, pac set up that punch, he just didn't throw it out there.

                    Originally posted by IMDAZED
                    Why stop there? Why was Clottey off balance?
                    cause clottey wasn't in position to throw a punch and got caught

                    If you want to say Clottey wasn't hurt, I agree.

                    If you want to say Clottey was off balance, I agree.

                    If you want to say the knockdown was luck? Uhh...no.
                    it was lucky... again u have to distinguish the jab from the knockdown... the jab initiated the knockdown, but the main reason for the knockdown was clottey being off balance.

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                    • go1nbanana
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by IMDAZED
                      No, we're not. The timing of the jab caused the knockdown. That's usually how KD's occur.
                      i don't agree that "That's usually how KD's occur." from the way it happened. knockdown should be due from the power of the punch, there should not be a hint of off-balance from the opponent. if there was a doubt of being off-balance, then it's not a good KD, IMO.

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