Who was the best white fighter?

[crold1]

As long as it isnt turned into a serious and ugly racial discussion that gets out of control...I dont think there is any dispute with WILLIE PEP being the best...looking at his record it is very possible to name him as the best boxer EVER of ALL boxers (Sugar Ray Robinson said so, too)...

I'll dispute that Ice...with Greb. Beat more great fighters from more weight classes. Damn...wish there was film.

[BEEHOP]

Nothing Racial......just curious as to who others might feel were the top white fighters.
I have heard Rocky Marciano and because I love boxing I have researched his old fights, seen some of his clips, and semi-screened his opposition. After all that, I found him to be just Ok(but that's another topic)Unbeaten can be over-hyped.
Calzaghe was pretty good but he needed America sooner in his career to see where he was really at.
Personally, I think the best, most entertaining and exciting in my era had to be "The Real Rocky Balboa, Arturo Gatti. (RIP)
Honorable mentions to Vinny Pazienza, Greg Haugen, Mickey Ward,Bom Boom Mancini, Dempsey.

Clearly Sven Ottke he's undefeated and beat: Glen Johnson, Reid, and KO'ed Anthony Mundine.

In second place I'd have to say Valuev.

[Benny Leonard]

Muhammed Ali was 1/4 Irish, and Mike Tyson was too. George Foreman said about half of his ancestors were white. Joe Louis was part white.

The best white boxer may have been Jim Jeffries, he was old and had previously been retired when he fought Jack Johnson. Prime Jeffries would have beaten prime Johnson.
Greb, Tunney, Marciano (very underrated) and Pep were among the best.

And I think Vitali would hold his own with any heavyweight in history.

Historically the best boxers have been men of mixed African-American and white (Ali, Tyson, Louis, etc). They seem to be on average more athletic than either whites or Africans.

I remember hearing Jim Jeffries avoided Jack Johnson when he {Jim} had the title.

You can add Benny Leonard to that list although he was ***ish...still trying to think if he counts.

Jimmy Wilde
James J.Corbett
Mickey Walker
Tony Canzoneri
Billy Conn
Barney Ross
Stanley Ketchel
Marcel Cerdan
Abe Attell
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Bob Fitszimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien

Trying to think of names that haven't been mentioned in prior posts.

There are a ton of them. Which one is the best...not sure.

[The-BOSS]

Rocky Balboa

[!! Shawn]

Willie Pep

THIS! Pep Blows Greb out of the water.

[!! Shawn]

I'll dispute that Ice...with Greb. Beat more great fighters from more weight classes. Damn...wish there was film.

You aslo think Castillo is better than Mosley... soooooo... Greb has to be the most over rated fighter since Michael Spinks.

[BennyST]

Yeah, him too. Paz and Haugen are the best white LWs ever!

Benny Leonard was not only ten times the LW's those guys were but he is also considered top ten P4P by most and the greatest LW ever by many, along with Duran etc.

[BennyST]

You aslo think Castillo is better than Mosley... soooooo... Greb has to be the most over rated fighter since Michael Spinks.

Wow, just wow. You serious man? Most overrated since Spinks? More likely the most underrated since someone else that's also very underrated.

Anyway, the best list is this:

Pep
Greb
Leonard

All are most often in the top ten ATG.

[Allucard]

Calzaghe, Klitschkos, Adamek... Thats all I can think of for this generation. I don't really rate other generations because I don't know too much about them.

Calzaghe is a fraud. BEating a couple 40 year olds doesn't put you up there.

[Benncollinsaad]

Benny Leonard was not only ten times the LW's those guys were but he is also considered top ten P4P by most and the greatest LW ever by many, along with Duran etc.

I don't know him. But I doubt he is TEN times better than those two. Be real!