Manny Pacquiao: true champion? or just a belt winner?

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So much is made of Manny Pacquiao's rise from a 106 pound fighter to the #1 P4P fighter and current junior wleterweight champion, and rightfully so. Pac has faced good competition consistently and seems to get better each time he gets bigger.

But one question that should be asked is: What does becoming a seven division world champion mean if you weren't defending your title?

Don't get me wrong, at 130 pounds, Manny was a legit champion. He took on the best of the division and defended his title often. But since his move to lightweight, where he won his 5th division crown against a mediocre titlist in David Diaz, it seems defending your crown is not important anymore. It's more about being able to say you're a 7 division champion.

Let's be realistic. Manny is already considered a 6 division champ even though all he did at lightweight was beat probably the worst titlist of the bunch and never defended his title. Now let's say he beats Cotto for his 7th division, what are the chances of him actually defending that title? If you think he's going to fight Floyd next, then maybe he will, but then he's neglecting another belt, the Ring belt at 140. Either way, he'll be a 7 division champion that only really actively defended his title in 3 of those divisions (flyweight, super bantam, and super feather).

Manny Pacquiao is a great fighter and an ATG already. His accomplishments are tremendous even if holes can be poked in his legacy, but one must ask if Pacquiao wins against Cotto, is Manny Pacquiao really a 7 division champion? Or just a 7 division belt grabber? If there's no distinction to you, I guess I'm just old fashioned.

you know its harder to move up in weight than just staying in one division and defending right?

[dans]

Oscar is a Hall of Famer. Hatton is a huge name and he ruled 140 for almost 5 years, and next there's Miguel Cotto, another big name.

The alternative is Guzman and Campbell? LOL. Neither of them will be remembered like Cotto, Oscar and Hatton.

I would rather have the names he has on his resume right now and the ones who come in the near future than Guzman and Campbell. If you would rather hang around at 135 and beat nobodies, fair enough, but I don't understand why you would do that.

Lastly, what about the paydays? He is fighting for ****** money now. The alternative is to earn less by fighting lesser names? WHY!!? This is a ****ing BUSINESS my friend.

I think you're going off about something unrelated to this thread. There's no doubt Manny made the right business decisions and he did what was best for him. I'm not criticizing him for that.

All I'm saying is to really think before calling him a 6/7 division champion.

Remember, Joe Calzaghe is only a 2 division champion, but he held his SMW title for 10 years and never lost.

I sounds better to say "I'm a 7 division champion" rather than "I'm a two division champion", but in actuality the level of accomplishment is quite similar.

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you know its harder to move up in weight than just staying in one division and defending right?

That's not always true. See: Pacquiao-Diaz, Pacquiao-Marquez.

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Some idiot. Maybe he was all confused - I once heard him say only a 200lb+ man could beat the invincible Joe Calzaghe. I think he rides Pacquiao's nuts these days.

Anyway, he said:


Seeing as how Guzman & Campbell were at 135, the implication is that the only fighter Manny fought at that weight will look better on his resume down the line. But maybe he was just confused.

Ewwww, what an offensive, slimy little ****wit you are.

Nobody said beating Diaz looks better than beating Guzman and Campbell, but fighting Cotto, De La Hoya, Hatton AND Diaz (who was just a pit-stop) looks better than fighting those guys at 135 you mentioned. That's my opinion and I see nothing wrong with it. Fighters at this stage want only the biggest fights for the biggest money.

PS: Why are you lying? I said I don't see any SMW or light heavy keeping Calzaghe on the canvas if they knocked him down, and that it'd probably take a decent cruiser or heavy to put him down and keep him down. That's what I said. Not "Only a 200+ lb man could beat the invincible Calzaghe."

So stop ****ing lying you arrogant *******.



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[Ch@mpBox@PR]

then they shouldn't crown a person a champion for beating the former champion then.

they should crown you a champion after defending it.

but it doesn't work that way does it?



since winning the belt is what makes you champion , then pacquiao is a 6 division champion.

No he is not!!!

he is a 4 division champion(112,126,130,140) and a 4 division title holder(112,122,130,135)

[dans]

you know its harder to move up in weight than just staying in one division and defending right?

Shouldn't that should depend on who your fighting?

[S A M U R A I]

I think you're going off about something unrelated to this thread.

I was replying directly to a single post, not to the thread question.



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No he is not!!!

he is a 4 division champion(112,126,130,140) and a 4 division title holder(112,122,130,135)

whatever.

title holder then.

i better not ever catch you calling cotto a champion then.

[Ch@mpBox@PR]

whatever.

title holder then.

i better not ever catch you calling cotto a champion then.

You better what *****?

Cotto the WW champion, I said it, now **** off!!!!!!!

[Chups]

Don't get me wrong, at 130 pounds, Manny was a legit champion. He took on the best of the division and defended his title often.

Manny Pac did not defend a MAJOR belt in the super featherweight division. He had more defenses at Super bantam (122) and Feather (126). When he got a MAJOR title at 130, he immediately went 135.