After watching Fury vs Makhmudov, how good is Usyk REALLY

[NihonJim]

That was the same Fury that Usyk fought and he looked really average, same as he did vs Ngannou and Chisora before Usyk

And Usyk had life and death with fury

[RingoKid]

That was the same Fury that Usyk fought and he looked really average, same as he did vs Ngannou and Chisora before Usyk

And Usyk had life and death with fury

That was not the same Fury!

The one Usyk fought was undefeated, fighting for unification and had 2 full camps under his belt over a year...

The Fury we saw over the weekend was a fat sausage clown fighting for his next payday.

[Elastic Recoilz]

That was the same Fury that Usyk fought and he looked really average, same as he did vs Ngannou and Chisora before Usyk

And Usyk had life and death with fury

I thought he looked quite sharp. The thing is Makhmadov had a high wrestling strength and he was intent on holding Fury at every opportunity. Fury was finding angles, jabbing well and the uppercut was a constant threat. The only criticism is there were opportunities where Fury had the chance to land big shots but he couldn't connect with them.

[Rockybigblower]

Fury showed once again in this fight he cant move backwards. Evertime he tried he was tripping over his own feet and completely off balance. He holds everytime he is moved back and its the way Usyk defeated him. Never let him grab on and kept him off balance by throwing punches in bunches.

[Dr Z]

Fury showed once again in this fight he cant move backwards. Evertime he tried he was tripping over his own feet and completely off balance. He holds everytime he is moved back and its the way Usyk defeated him. Never let him grab on and kept him off balance by throwing punches in bunches.

Tyson Fury can still clinch and hold with the best in the division. And box and use he height and reach. Despite his history of PED abuse and being docked points five times in five separate fights, I still consider him a top 4 or 6 heavyweight. IMO, he is no more that that now. I believe his boxing time in the hour glass is just about empty.

Fury shocked me by coming in under 270 lbs!

[daggum]

he won both fights 9-3 and almost kod fury in the first. not life and death at all. bad scoring by some perhaps

[hugh grant]

Fury is 2nd best of era if he beats josh

[PRINCEKOOL]

Oleksandr Uysk's peak heavyweight fight was vs. Anthony Joshua in the rematch 'skill for skill that is the highest level heavyweight fight of this boxing era from both fighters'.

This is not an opinion, that is exactly what the statistics of the fights show 'Oleksandr Uysk produced a higher work rate vs. Anthony Joshua than he did in any of his fights vs. Tyson Fury. But Uysk was still only able to land the exact same amount of punches on Joshua as Fury. A total of 170 punches landed on both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua'.

Anthony Joshua was also producing a higher work rate than Tyson Fury in both of his fights vs. Oleksandr Uysk than Tyson Fury 'and he was the first heavyweight fighter, during a title fight to actually outwork Uysk during their first fight'.

The work rate which Oleksandr Uysk produced during his rematch vs. Anthony Joshua 'was a total of 712 punches. Uysk produced a work rate of 402 and 423 punches vs. Tyson Fury in each of their two fights'.

Tyson Fury landed 157 and 144 punches on Oleksandr Uysk in both of his fights 'while Anthony Joshua landed 123 punches in both of his two fights vs. Oleksandr Uysk'.

Note: Round 9 of Anthony Joshua vs. Oleksandr Uysk 'is still the most dominant winning round any heavyweight fighter has won vs. Uysk. It is the most visible hurt and shook Uysk has been as a heavyweight fighter'.

The main point I am making with this post is? I think Oleksandr Uysk game has decreased since fighting Oleksandr Uysk 'this could have been deliberate, but we have not really seen the upper limits of his best attribute i.e. his work rate really being unleashed on his competitors'.

In my opinion the version of Oleksandr Uysk who Joshua fought during his rematch is the best heavyweight version of Uysk 'since that fight I think Oleksandr Uysk has been more measured during his fights, and relying more on his tactics'.

This makes sense because? I understand people like to make out that Tyson Fury is some sort of genetic marvel and Olympic level athlete 'but the reality is, Anthony Joshua is from a pure physiological perspective a miles better athlete'.

Oleksandr Uysk had no choice but to bring his best tactical skill for skill game, and athletic game vs. Anthony Joshua in order to win. Because Uysk was coming up against similar athlete in terms of attitude and work ethic'.

This was not the case vs. Tyson Fury 'who is a fighter that thinks? Dedicating 12 weeks to a fight, is something to talk about'.

Great fighters don't just win fights because of one training camp; it is all an accumulation of work ethic throughout the years.

To conclude: I don't regard Oleksandr Uysk performances vs. Tyson Fury I or II as his best in his heavyweight career 'and neither is Tyson Fury at the peak of his game'.

But people also need to take into account, that Tyson Fury does train to the level of his opponent 'he has always raised his game vs. top level fighters. The fight vs. Arslanbek Makhmudov could have been a lot more worse for Fury'.

Tyson Fury does not really have that dimension to his game, where he can take a fighter out with his power in a instant 'Joshua and Wilder both have those attributes'.

So if Tyson Fury is in an underwhelming fight, where he is unable to really hurt his opponent 'he is not going to appear great'.

But from a purely objective perspective, I think Tyson Fury done very well vs. Makhmudov 'he won 90 to 95% of all the rounds, and was never really challenged' etc.

[Toffee]

Life and death might be an overstatement. Usyk beat him twice and the debate on how close it was exists only in Fury's head. Interesting that his retelling of the story is now starting to convince people. A classic Fury trick.

The very worst version of Fury is more than likely to go the distance with most heavyweights. He's big, he's awkward, and he's durable. That doesn't change.

[NihonJim]

Toffee

The first fight was very close, fury was up on all cards and an odds on favourite going into the 8th

Usyk had a big 8th scoring a 10/8 round, followed by a good 9th and 10th, fury took the 11th, Usyk the 12th

It was a VERY close fight which Usyk won by having that Brilliant 8th. The story of the fight was that one round separating them

The narrative that it was easy in any way for Usyk is pure nonsense, and only peddled because Fury is a hated villain in boxing while Usyk is almost deified. There's really clear bias and if enough people say Usyk won easy then people start believing it.