Oleksandr’s One a Year for Ducking

[daggum]

There's no big money, meaningful fight out there.

It's for the rest to fight it out now. I like the idea of him having a passing of the torch type fight but I'm not sure anyone is ready for that.

why is he fighting a kickboxer though if there are no fights out there for him? thats simply not true. he just doesnt want to possibly lose and jeopardize future big fights but the big money fights are against the guys who arent the best and guys hes already beaten so he might as well just retire if hes unwililng to fight the best contenders out there because they arent "big money" thats a classic BS excuse

[JOITATS]

No one in boxing has “earned” the right to fight only once a year vs a bum. He’s also gone to split dec twice vs very good but not elite opponents. Let’s not make it more than what it is.
No one wants to see a third fight with Fury or Dubois. It may take time to negotiate for a fight with Fury, but not Kabayel & Itauma.

At the end of the day, Usyk can do whatever he wants. But if he chooses he easy path, then he should be demoted from the top of the P4P list. The great white hope effect shouldn’t apply here.

[emilyilzrih7]

Oleksandr halvens the pressure to make good fights by fighting only once per year

Instead of facing the best opponent the big threats can beat each other up as Oleksandr jeets in the wings

ukraine is the grift that keeps on grifting

Oleksandr has had an okay reign which he plans to end cherrying

Good rematch Fury 2
Okay rematch Danny 2
Cherry kboxer
Cherry Danny Trilogy or Okay Fabio
Cherry Flabby Fury Trilogy

in conclusion Oleksandr’s reign is smoke & mirrors fighting only once per year to sidestep the best igga

Using one a year to duck is the biggest innovation I seen in ducking since blood test weekend me Spray_resistant



fight twice a year and it’s double the demand to face the best

Oleksandr’s once a year program sets a bad example for future https://rainbet-de.de/ fighters to reduce the number of fights which hurts boxing

Saul Santos was a far superior face and reign

Die Darstellung ist ziemlich einseitig. Oleksandr Usyk hat zwar oft nur einmal pro Jahr gekämpft, aber meist auf höchstem Niveau und gegen die stärksten verfügbaren Gegner im Schwergewicht.

Ob das „Ducken“ ist, ist umstritten – eher spielen Verletzungen, lange Vorbereitungen und die moderne Schwergewichtspolitik eine Rolle. Viele Top-Fighter kämpfen heute generell seltener.

[Toffee]

why is he fighting a kickboxer though if there are no fights out there for him? thats simply not true. he just doesnt want to possibly lose and jeopardize future big fights but the big money fights are against the guys who arent the best and guys hes already beaten so he might as well just retire if hes unwililng to fight the best contenders out there because they arent "big money" thats a classic BS excuse

He's fighting a kickboxer because he's out of the game.

He took on the guys he needed to. He fought the guys with belts. He fought the obvious challengers.

All that's left for him is legacy fights and I'm not sure they exist right now. You could argue that Moses Itauma is a legacy fight - but I don't see him and Frank trying to push the fight.

So Usyk will fight for money. It's hard to argue against. I just think the orgs should be stripping him.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Usyk can fight whoever he wants. Just strip him from his damn belts.

[SouthpawRight]

No one in boxing has “earned” the right to fight only once a year vs a bum. He’s also gone to split dec twice vs very good but not elite opponents. Let’s not make it more than what it is.
No one wants to see a third fight with Fury or Dubois. It may take time to negotiate for a fight with Fury, but not Kabayel & Itauma.

At the end of the day, Usyk can do whatever he wants. But if he chooses he easy path, then he should be demoted from the top of the P4P list. The great white hope effect shouldn’t apply here.

exactly this isn't a retirement goodbye fight nor a tuneup

one a year reigning champ who still in good condition needs to face the top contenders

[fifth_root]

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin.

The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly.

There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies.

This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable.

So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance.

[NihonJim]

The "earned the right" nonsense is some casual BS that total casuals on social media just spam because they are in love with a flavour of the month.

If he drops the titles he can do what he wants but other than that, no, you have to keep it moving.

He's slowing the division to a crawl and costing other fighters their opportunities.

People say "oh well there's only bums around now"

At least when Klitschko was the champion we KNEW they were bums because he'd fight top 10 guys 3x a year

[SouthpawRight]

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin.

The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly.

There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies.

This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable.

So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance.

The "earned the right" nonsense is some casual BS that total casuals on social media just spam because they are in love with a flavour of the month.

If he drops the titles he can do what he wants but other than that, no, you have to keep it moving.

He's slowing the division to a crawl and costing other fighters their opportunities.

People say "oh well there's only bums around now"

At least when Klitschko was the champion we KNEW they were bums because he'd fight top 10 guys 3x a year

Great posts

[daggum]

He's fighting a kickboxer because he's out of the game.

He took on the guys he needed to. He fought the guys with belts. He fought the obvious challengers.

All that's left for him is legacy fights and I'm not sure they exist right now. You could argue that Moses Itauma is a legacy fight - but I don't see him and Frank trying to push the fight.

So Usyk will fight for money. It's hard to argue against. I just think the orgs should be stripping him.

but he said he has 2 more fights after the kickboxer fight so no hes not out of the game according to himself. hes just carefully picking opponents. weak.

like the kickboxer fight? a third fury fight? lol. a guy he beat pretty easily twice and yet he wants to fight him a third time.

ah yeah its only about money so he should fight jake paul then right? most money! why not release usyk coin to rob people of their money while hes at it.