Oleksandr’s One a Year for Ducking

[Toffee]

but he said he has 2 more fights after the kickboxer fight so no hes not out of the game according to himself. hes just carefully picking opponents. weak.

like the kickboxer fight? a third fury fight? lol. a guy he beat pretty easily twice and yet he wants to fight him a third time.

ah yeah its only about money so he should fight jake paul then right? most money! why not release usyk coin to rob people of their money while hes at it.

He's not going to say that he has zero ambition now and is just on his cash in tour.

He can fight who he wants. Jake Paul, greedy belly, Rico... It doesn't really matter. There is no fight out there that changes his legacy. It's done.

I'm not sure why anyone would think he shouldn't be able to earn money. There are still millions on the table for him. I can understand him taking the cash.

My issue remains with the orgs who aren't stripping him. If he's not fighting ranked boxers then he should have his titles taken away.

[JOITATS]

When a fighter holds most of the titles, and eventually all of them, activity level becomes part of the evaluation. Usyk’s run at heavyweight is strong, but not exceptional in terms of depth. In five years at the weight, he has fought only three opponents: Joshua, Dubois, and Fury. These wins earned him the undisputed crown, but they also show that titles alone don’t tell the full story. The number of fights and the variety of opponents matter when discussing all‑time heavyweight greatness, and by that metric, Usyk’s résumé is still relatively thin.

The argument that he is a “small heavyweight” also doesn’t hold up. At 191 cm, Usyk is not undersized at all - he is literally the historical average for heavyweight champions. Fighters like Holyfield (189 cm), Holmes (190 cm), Frazier (182 cm), Tyson (178 cm), and Ruiz (188 cm) were all shorter. Usyk was a huge cruiserweight (where the average size is 186 cm) and a normal‑sized heavyweight, not an anomaly.

There is also a recurring point that deserves at least acknowledgement. Several controversial refereeing decisions in high‑profile fights have involved the same official, Luis Pabón, and Ukrainian fighters. In Klitschko-Povetkin, Pabón allowed excessive clinching that shaped the fight. In Joshua-Usyk II, a borderline body shot was ruled low. In Usyk-Dubois I, another borderline body shot was ruled low again. These are three separate events, years apart, involving different opponents - but the same referee and Ukrainian fighters. When similar controversies repeat under the same official, it’s reasonable to question whether this is a coincidence or a pattern of officiating tendencies.

This doesn’t prove intent, and it doesn’t imply a coordinated effort. But it does show that certain Ukrainian athletes (and even Ukrainian artists in other fields) have at times benefited from favourable interpretations or decisions in international contexts. Whether this is due to individual referees, institutional caution, or broader sentiment is open to debate, but the pattern itself is observable.

So yes - Usyk is a great boxer, but greatness doesn’t mean beyond criticism. His résumé at heavyweight is limited, his size is often misrepresented, and some aspects of his career have unfolded under circumstances that deserve scrutiny, not blind acceptance.

This is the truth.

Usyk is a full size heavyweight.
He's always had the frame to compete at this division.

Hgt & reach matter in boxing.

[NihonJim]

This is the truth.

Usyk is a full size heavyweight.
He's always had the frame to compete at this division.

Hgt & reach matter in boxing.

Yeah the idea of Usyk being this tiny guy is pretty funny, I saw a pic of him and The Rock (juiced to the gills steroid hulk rock) and Usyk was bigger.

He's much bigger than Holyfied or David Hate both of whom were bulked up and still weighed less than a Usyk who doesn't weight train much.

It's quite remarkable that he made 200 for so long tbh

[RockyKO]

Usyk is cemented in the top 10 all time great heavyweights in my opinion. Complaining about the Rico fight is fair and that's about it. Aforementioned, he beat an undefeated 2 time World Heavyweight Champion in Fury, a 2 time World Champion 24-1 (22 KOs) AJ , and a future world champion in 19-1 Dubois. He beat them twice. So we should all agree that his resume is very good.

So next is the eye test? Great footwork, southpaw, very high ring IQ, and he throws a voluminous amount of punches.

So what's next? Accolades? Two weight undisputed and an Olympic gold medalist. He's won every belt available from Cruiser to Heavy. What more do you haters want?

I see some people say he's done well because of favoritism and luck. Seriously, what percentage of favoritism is the reason why he's so successful? Is it 5% 10%?

I agree he should fight more than once a year.

Yes, he should fight Kabayel or Hrgovic instead.

AJ, Fury, Dubois are 'very good but not elite' ? If we're going make that statement then just say there hasn't been an elite fighter in decades lol.

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[fifth_root]

Not to mention that cruiserweight has always been the weakest division in terms of talent depth. That doesn’t take away from Usyk unifying the belts there, but it also shouldn’t be exaggerated. As I’ve said before, the number of titles, even unifications, means nothing unless you look at the level of opposition behind them. It’s easy to hide behind belts and call objectivity “hating,” but that doesn’t change the reality.

Olympic medals are irrelevant here - we’re talking about professional boxing. It has always been professional boxing that measures legendary status and boxers.

As for the “top 10 all‑time greats” claims - Usyk isn’t even in the top 20 at heavyweight. Fighters like Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman, Evander Holyfield, Wladimir Klitschko, Vitali Klitschko, Mike Tyson, Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, Riddiсk Bowe, Sonny Liston, Ken Norton, Floyd Patterson, Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, and Gene Tunney all built far deeper résumés. Many of them never had the chance to unify the belts, yet they fought two, three, or four times as many heavyweight bouts as Usyk. If anything, that makes Usyk’s path to unification easier, not harder.

What matters is how many top fighters you beat in the division where you want to be remembered as a legend. Almost all of the names above have more title defences at heavyweight, often several times more than Usyk has across cruiserweight and heavyweight combined.