The GOAT! Pacquiao or Floyd or Crawford?

[HisExcellency]

Floyd without question lost to Castillo, and should have dq'd vs Zab

His own daddy scored the fight for DLH too plus the punch stats were virtually identical in the first Maidana fight.

[The Big Dunn]

Manny is still 2-1-1 up in the series against Juan (should really be 3-1 if the judge in the first fight added his scorecard up correctly). Also, Marquez was most likely on PEDs in the 4th fight as he started working with a well known PED pusher during this camp and was able to drop Manny twice despite being UNABLE to do so in their first 3 fights.

Re Floyd, he cherry-picked Manny after he'd been KTFO by Marquez instead of facing him in his prime a decade earlier when he was dangerous. Mayweather should also have a couple of losses to his name but was protected due to being the #1 PPV draw at the time.

Huh? Manny turned down the $40 mil offer to instead fight JMM again for $28 mil as the a side.

How do you know this yet post Floyd waited to fight him until he got ktfo.

You mean Manny got unexpectedly ktfo in a fight he took to duck Floyd yet again.

Unless you’re implying Floyd knew JMM was going to destroy Manny.

[HisExcellency]

Huh? Manny turned down the $40 mil offer to instead fight JMM again for $28 mil as the a side.

How do you know this yet post Floyd waited to fight him until he got ktfo.

You mean Manny got unexpectedly ktfo in a fight he took to duck Floyd yet again.

Unless you’re implying Floyd knew JMM was going to destroy Manny.

Lol Manny rejected Floyd's foolish $40m flat fee offer as he knew he was entitled to make far MORE money from the fight (which he did - c.$120m in 2015).

Floyd could've easily fought Manny when he was dangerous post-2009 but chose to 'retire' and avoid him at all costs until he was old and had been KTFO by MarqPEDz.

[RadChang]

Crawford>Pac>Floyd

[The Big Dunn]

Lol Manny rejected Floyd's foolish $40m flat fee offer as he knew he was entitled to make far MORE money from the fight (which he did - c.$120m in 2015).

Floyd could've easily fought Manny when he was dangerous post-2009 but chose to 'retire' and avoid him at all costs until he was old and had been KTFO by MarqPEDz.

Stop making excuses and defending ducking. so it’s clear that is why Floyd fought him after he got ktfo. Stop blaming that on Floyd.

Like all the other manny Stans in this thread, if any other boxer did what Manny did you’d call it a duck.

Manny refused PED testing then.

Why are you blatantly lying? Floyd got Nevada to extend the jail start date after Manny said he was ready to go. Soon as that happened Manny got Bobs son in law, not his doctor, to give him these stitches.

So stop lying that Floyd waited. It was Manny ducking all along because he and his team knew he couldn’t beat Floyd.

As you acknowledge his holding out and ducking got him more money, which is all he really wanted.

If JMM was in PEDs he was likely just evening the playing field.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Stop making excuses and defending ducking. so it’s clear that is why Floyd fought him after he got ktfo. Stop blaming that on Floyd.

Like all the other manny Stans in this thread, if any other boxer did what Manny did you’d call it a duck.

Manny refused PED testing then.

Why are you blatantly lying? Floyd got Nevada to extend the jail start date after Manny said he was ready to go. Soon as that happened Manny got Bobs son in law, not his doctor, to give him these stitches.

So stop lying that Floyd waited. It was Manny ducking all along because he and his team knew he couldn’t beat Floyd.

As you acknowledge his holding out and ducking got him more money, which is all he really wanted.

If JMM was in PEDs he was likely just evening the playing field.

Man I'm not trying to be an *******. But reverse this situation. If Manny had suddenly come out saying that he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he agreed to a bunch of extra drug testing, and saying that he had to "think of his health" when talking about it.....we all would say Manny was scared and Floyd had never tested for anything. I loved watching Pac and Floyd in their primes and I never would defend Manny if he had acted that way.

And you can't argue about Pac accepting the Marquez fight when Floyd was offering Pac about a third or even less of what he deserved.

It is obvious to basically everyone except you at this point that Floyd did not want to fight Manny in his prime. I've gone on record saying that Floyd wasn't scared, he is just a smart fighter and Pac was on a tear. And I've said that Floyd likely would have won anyway. But the arguing you are doing makes Flkyd look worse IMO. Because it is so obvious and everyone has basically accepted the reality. But you for some reason are creating logic pretzels and defending Floyd to a degree of absurdity.

All fighters cherry pick to some degree. Pac basically ducked Bud when they were discussing because he saw a guy he wasn't sure about. It is just reality. Floyd made the decision and he waited until Pac lost some. I mean I don't blame him. But it was easy to see.It robbed us of a more competitive fight and we got a boring mess. But do I blame him? It is just a part of the sport.

[SouthpawRight]

Manny is still 2-1-1 up in the series against Juan (should really be 3-1 if the judge in the first fight added his scorecard up correctly). Also, Marquez was most likely on PEDs in the 4th fight as he started working with a well known PED pusher during this camp and was able to drop Manny twice despite being UNABLE to do so in their first 3 fights.

Re Floyd, he cherry-picked Manny after he'd been KTFO by Marquez instead of facing him in his prime a decade earlier when he was dangerous. Mayweather should also have a couple of losses to his name but was protected due to being the #1 PPV draw at the time.

Lol Manny rejected Floyd's foolish $40m flat fee offer as he knew he was entitled to make far MORE money from the fight (which he did - c.$120m in 2015).

Floyd could've easily fought Manny when he was dangerous post-2009 but chose to 'retire' and avoid him at all costs until he was old and had been KTFO by MarqPEDz.

Juan CLAPPED the congressman

the Mexican overhand had the final say

younger manny would get hurt by younger Floyd

younger manny didn't yet know what it was like to get knocked out cold

the ptsd from Juan's overhand is what allowed manny to merely get stunned v Floyd

as for peds he had to even out the playing field somehow given manny's su****ious behavior around drug testing

Stop making excuses and defending ducking. so it’s clear that is why Floyd fought him after he got ktfo. Stop blaming that on Floyd.

Like all the other manny Stans in this thread, if any other boxer did what Manny did you’d call it a duck.

Manny refused PED testing then.

Why are you blatantly lying? Floyd got Nevada to extend the jail start date after Manny said he was ready to go. Soon as that happened Manny got Bobs son in law, not his doctor, to give him these stitches.

So stop lying that Floyd waited. It was Manny ducking all along because he and his team knew he couldn’t beat Floyd.

As you acknowledge his holding out and ducking got him more money, which is all he really wanted.

If JMM was in PEDs he was likely just evening the playing field.

Man I'm not trying to be an *******. But reverse this situation. If Manny had suddenly come out saying that he wouldn't fight Floyd unless he agreed to a bunch of extra drug testing, and saying that he had to "think of his health" when talking about it.....we all would say Manny was scared and Floyd had never tested for anything. I loved watching Pac and Floyd in their primes and I never would defend Manny if he had acted that way.

And you can't argue about Pac accepting the Marquez fight when Floyd was offering Pac about a third or even less of what he deserved.

It is obvious to basically everyone except you at this point that Floyd did not want to fight Manny in his prime. I've gone on record saying that Floyd wasn't scared, he is just a smart fighter and Pac was on a tear. And I've said that Floyd likely would have won anyway. But the arguing you are doing makes Flkyd look worse IMO. Because it is so obvious and everyone has basically accepted the reality. But you for some reason are creating logic pretzels and defending Floyd to a degree of absurdity.

All fighters cherry pick to some degree. Pac basically ducked Bud when they were discussing because he saw a guy he wasn't sure about. It is just reality. Floyd made the decision and he waited until Pac lost some. I mean I don't blame him. But it was easy to see.It robbed us of a more competitive fight and we got a boring mess. But do I blame him? It is just a part of the sport.

difference is Floyd admitted that he believes in matchmaking

lesser fighters are matchmaking denialists to sell dreams to their dumbarse fans

some fighters are excused for cherry picking

Usyk jeeting Fabio

manny's Jessie-Jeff-Shot Lucas-Adrienlol

TBud jeeting a Madrimov rematch

Floyd did his job by granting INSTArematches to any opp who who clearly took more than 4 rounds

in essence giving a shot to the guys with the best chances of beating him Marcos Rene and Jose Luis

[Theshotyoudontsee]

Juan CLAPPED the congressman

the Mexican overhand had the final say

younger manny would get hurt by younger Floyd

younger manny didn't yet know what it was like to get knocked out cold

the ptsd from Juan's overhand is what allowed manny to merely get stunned v Floyd

as for peds he had to even out the playing field somehow given manny's su****ious behavior around drug testing
difference is Floyd admitted that he believes in matchmaking

lesser fighters are matchmaking denialists to sell dreams to their dumbarse fans

some fighters are excused for cherry picking

Usyk jeeting Fabio

manny's Jessie-Jeff-Shot Lucas-Adrienlol

TBud jeeting a Madrimov rematch

Floyd did his job by granting INSTArematches to any opp who who clearly took more than 4 rounds

in essence giving a shot to the guys with the best chances of beating him Marcos Rene and Jose Luis

Floyd would not have stopped Pac like JMM did. Reason being, the reason Pac got caught like that was because he was whipping JMM's a s s and he got way overconfident and Marquez landed the haymaker with Pac walking into it. It was because he was doing so well that Pac thought it was over and JMM stayed calm and caught him with the hail mary.

Pac was never going to whip Floyd like that and he would have fought Floyd with alot more calculation. Floyd would have been the favorite and likely would have won the UD. But he knew Pac was a master at angles and finding openings, and very fast. Pac COULD have hurt Floyd and given him major problems, just like Mosley and Maidana did.

Pac definitely lost something after JMM stopped him. But that really did make it that much more amazing when he beat Thurman. He wasn't the same fighter but he still had enough to beat and knockdown a legit champ.

[SouthpawRight]

Floyd would not have stopped Pac like JMM did. Reason being, the reason Pac got caught like that was because he was whipping JMM's a s s and he got way overconfident and Marquez landed the haymaker with Pac walking into it. It was because he was doing so well that Pac thought it was over and JMM stayed calm and caught him with the hail mary.

Pac was never going to whip Floyd like that and he would have fought Floyd with alot more calculation. Floyd would have been the favorite and likely would have won the UD. But he knew Pac was a master at angles and finding openings, and very fast. Pac COULD have hurt Floyd and given him major problems, just like Mosley and Maidana did.

Pac definitely lost something after JMM stopped him. But that really did make it that much more amazing when he beat Thurman. He wasn't the same fighter but he still had enough to beat and knockdown a legit champ.

manny lacks Shane's punching power and overhand right

Shane stopped antogi

manny threw everything at antogi who then went to the scorecards

Marcos was focused bodypuncher who made manny look like headhunter

Marcos up and down attack vertical angles variation was a handful for Floyd

the few times manny had Floyd on the ropes he had nowhere near the amount of success that Marcos Rene did

manny is a side to side lateral angles assault variation

and his bladed stance and footwork would always be awful for cutting the ring off on GLIDING BOXER Floyd

I think of three instances that took something out of manny

antogi exerted manny in 2010. manny was never able to be as ferocious following this fight

then age caught up to manny in 2017 by the time he was 38 and lost to Jeff Horn

manny from a year before would have ate that guy up

finally in 2019 at 40 years old v Adrien manny begins to fade in his fights

[hugh grant]

Floyd would not have stopped Pac like JMM did. Reason being, the reason Pac got caught like that was because he was whipping JMM's a s s and he got way overconfident and Marquez landed the haymaker with Pac walking into it. It was because he was doing so well that Pac thought it was over and JMM stayed calm and caught him with the hail mary.

Pac was never going to whip Floyd like that and he would have fought Floyd with alot more calculation. Floyd would have been the favorite and likely would have won the UD. But he knew Pac was a master at angles and finding openings, and very fast. Pac COULD have hurt Floyd and given him major problems, just like Mosley and Maidana did.

Pac definitely lost something after JMM stopped him. But that really did make it that much more amazing when he beat Thurman. He wasn't the same fighter but he still had enough to beat and knockdown a legit champ.

Pac was overly aggressive and reckless in 4th fight as he was scared of being robbed. But also because pac didn't want to best jmm on.points again. Pac knew he could best jmm 5 out of 5 times on points. So the stars aligned for jmm