The GOAT! Pacquiao or Floyd or Crawford?

[Coverdale]

Manny Pacquaio was just as big a star in Las Vegas as Mayweather. So was Oscar. Ricky Hatton was a star in Las Vegas. Canelo Alvarez was and is a star in Las Vegas.

Did they receive this imaginary advantage also? Or is it just exclusive to Floyd?

You haven't actually demonstrably shown that his "advantage" is, other than just saying it exists. I've no clue what you're referring to.

You've asserted Kenny Bayless is Floyd's "favourite ref" when I've no clue how you know that. And even if it were demonstrably true he still has no influence on who refs his fights.



Ok but Mayweather's hometown isn't Las Vegas.

I also don't know what advantages Calzaghe had in the UK either you would have to demonstrate to me what they were.

***sigh*** Are you seriously saying Calzaghe wasn't the home fighter when he fought Lacy because it was held in Manchester rather than Newbridge? You seem to have latched onto a rigid definition of the words "home" and "hometown" and are reluctant to let go of them for the sake of polemic.

There's nothing imaginary about it. Hatton carried on for years about wanting a rematch in the UK so he could get a "fair crack of the whip".

[GhostofDempsey]

Manny has the deepest resume and titles in 8 weight classes. Of the three he would be my choice.

[Coverdale]

Manny has the deepest resume and titles in 8 weight classes. Of the three he would be my choice.

More exciting to watch, took more risks, fought more frequently, etc.

[IronDanHamza]

***sigh*** Are you seriously saying Calzaghe wasn't the home fighter when he fought Lacy because it was held in Manchester rather than Newbridge? You seem to have latched onto a rigid definition of the words "home" and "hometown" and are reluctant to let go of them for the sake of polemic.

Calzaghe was the "home" fighter vs Lacy yeah but what advantages did he have in that fight that Lacy didn't?

Are you referring the being the crowd favourite? Because if so, that would implode your argument for Floyd who in that context was always the "away" fighter.

You'd need to explain further what you mean. Because thus far you haven't.

There's nothing imaginary about it. Hatton carried on for years about wanting a rematch in the UK so he could get a "fair crack of the whip".

You say "carried on for years", how many years?

I don't recall Hatton ever saying he wants a rematch in the UK or saying those words you've quoted him as saying in regards to a rematch in the UK.

Do you have any evidence to support this being true?

I know a Wembley idea was softly put out there, but never from Hatton himself.

[Coverdale]

Calzaghe was the "home" fighter vs Lacy yeah but what advantages did he have in that fight that Lacy didn't?

Are you referring the being the crowd favourite? Because if so, that would implode your argument for Floyd who in that context was always the "away" fighter.

You'd need to explain further what you mean. Because thus far you haven't.





You say "carried on for years", how many years?

I don't recall Hatton ever saying he wants a rematch in the UK or saying those words you've quoted him as saying in regards to a rematch in the UK.

Do you have any evidence to support this being true?

I know a Wembley idea was softly put out there, but never from Hatton himself.

The "fair crack of the whip" comment returns loads of hits, it's why it stuck with me so well. Much of it was said retrospectively of course, but he definitely felt things were against him out there. Whether that's objectively true in that instance is a different discussion, but the point is that fighters prefer to have a fight in a geographic location closer to their residence (I deliberately expanded that for your benefit as you seem not to like the word "home").

You said in a separate discussion you were willing to at least entertain the idea Maidana might have got the decision in Argentina.

[IronDanHamza]

The "fair crack of the whip" comment returns loads of hits, it's why it stuck with me so well. Much of it was said retrospectively of course, but he definitely felt things were against him out there. Whether that's objectively true in that instance is a different discussion, but the point is that fighters prefer to have a fight in a geographic location closer to their residence (I deliberately expanded that for your benefit as you seem not to like the word "home").

So it wasn't "carried on for years" wanting a rematch in the UK, then? It was mostly said retrospectively.

So I think we need to stop throwing things out there that aren't true. You've done this multiple times now in this thread.

I still have no idea what these supposed "advantages" are, you've seemingly avoided answering it. What were Calzaghe's "home advances" vs Lacy, for example?

You said in a separate discussion you were willing to at least entertain the idea Maidana might have got the decision in Argentina.

You can transport that exact fight to Timbuktu or anywhere else in the world and there's an argument Maidana might have got the decision because it was an either way fight.

You could also make an argument for Floyd winning the decision if that fight were in Argentina also, so I'm not really seeing the point.

You could argue Marquez would have got all three of the first Pacquaio's fights if the fights were in Mexico or even just in L.A. So what?

[Coverdale]

So it wasn't "carried on for years" wanting a rematch in the UK, then? It was mostly said retrospectively.

So I think we need to stop throwing things out there that aren't true. You've done this multiple times now in this thread.

I still have no idea what these supposed "advantages" are, you've seemingly avoided answering it. What were Calzaghe's "home advances" vs Lacy, for example?



You can transport that exact fight to Timbuktu or anywhere else in the world and there's an argument Maidana might have got the decision because it was an either way fight.

You could also make an argument for Floyd winning the decision if that fight were in Argentina also, so I'm not really seeing the point.

You could argue Marquez would have got all three of the first Pacquaio's fights if the fights were in Mexico or even just in L.A. So what?

No, what's happening is that you're advancing secondary arguments that are irrelevant to the central point about home advantage. I wasn't claiming Calzaghe had an advantage against Lacy particularly, just emphasising that he was the home fighter in that and other fights where he obviously preferred them to be held.

I don't see any point in continuing this discussion because you're determined to have an argument. If you want to chalk that up as a psychological/intellectual victory you're welcome to. It was a mistake me reentering this thread.

[IronDanHamza]

No, what's happening is that you're advancing secondary arguments that are irrelevant to the central point about home advantage. I wasn't claiming Calzaghe had an advantage against Lacy particularly, just emphasising that he was the home fighter in that and other fights where he obviously preferred them to be held.

I'm sorry, did you not literally use Calzaghe-Lacy as an example of somebody having this supposed "home advantage", or not? You brought it up, not me.

If not, what was the reason for listing it and how does it relate to Floyd having the "advantages" you're claiming he had?

I don't see any point in continuing this discussion because you're determined to have an argument. If you want to chalk that up as a psychological/intellectual victory you're welcome to. It was a mistake me reentering this thread.

I mean, that's up to you. It's neither here nor there to me.

If you'd like to return to it at any point we firstly need to identify exactly what these supposed "advantages" are. You're refusing to do that for whatever reason, so it's a none starter from there.

[Nash out]

Mayweather is TBE. He would not have a TBE cap if he weren't. Crawford is a contender for P4P of his generation also, but 4-5 others have a claim to that. Pacquiao is the best very Mexican boxer of all time. He is the pride of Mexico. In an all-Mexican showdown, prime vs prime, he would be Julio Cesar Chavez Sr very easily. Nash out - His Majesty

[djtmal]

Right yes, I just said that. No one would put Canelo next to Ray Leonard or Muahmmad Ali.

But they would put him next to say, Julio Cesar Chavez.

Thats just like saying, Canelo isn't a top tier all time great fighter