Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Pacquiao II talks initiated

[IronDanHamza]

In absolute terms it's not excessive holding. I'm assuming your numbers are correct. I think you said previously you're counting pushing down of the head, right?

Any time any kind of holding was done; Clinching, pushing down, etc. Any grappling of any kind.

The referee can warn for the first infringement if he so wishes. Obviously he needs to distinguish between a genuine tangle and one fighter simply holding to thwart an attack (which is illegal and obviously impacts the flow of the fight).

Right but I'm asking when do you think Floyd should have been warned? At what point in the fight do you think it became excessive? For example in Round 1, there was 1 clinch. In the following two rounds there were 4, and 4 (the only two rounds that had this many). So at what point should the ref have stepped in with a warning? And if it was excessive? What point should the hard warning have come and then at what point should points have come off. You've got 21 examples to choose from in a 12 round fight.

I already made clear I am not making exactly the same argument as the other people you're bickering with. I only interjected because I felt you were being a little reductive. Floyd held to avoid exchanging. It contributed to what was a typically dull fight. I think better refereeing of his fights would have led to better outcomes. Obviously fans of the guy don't care about this (not saying you're one), they just wanted the W however it came.

I get that but your position still isn't making sense, that's why I'm asking for clarification,.

You're saying he held to avoid exchanging..he held 21 times TOTAL. in a 36 minute boxing match. I'm totally lost on where the excessive holding is, in any context.

You used Tyson-Lewis as a comparison, two fighters who hold A LOT by the way, whereby Lewis held 12 times in the first round alone. And by the way, Lewis holding in round 1 was way worse than ANY holding Floyd did in 12 rounds. And even that fight I wouldn't say there was excessive holding really but in comparison to Floyd's fight with Pacquaio it was an Adkinwande fight.

[Coverdale]

You're saying he held to avoid exchanging..he held 21 times TOTAL. in a 36 minute boxing match. I'm totally lost on where the excessive holding is, in any context.

You used Tyson-Lewis as a comparison, two fighters who hold A LOT by the way, whereby Lewis held 12 times in the first round alone. And by the way, Lewis holding in round 1 was way worse than ANY holding Floyd did in 12 rounds. And even that fight I wouldn't say there was excessive holding really but in comparison to Floyd's fight with Pacquaio it was an Adkinwande fight.

Fair enough, I'll concede. Statement retracted regarding Floyd's holding in the Pacquiao fight.

I think the Lewis - Tyson conversation is more interesting. Heavyweights tend to do more holding on average wouldn't you say? There was one Lewis hold in particular in that fight (I think it was in the 2nd but would need to watch again as it's been a while) which was completely unnecessary and the crowd even booed briefly.

[IronDanHamza]

Fair enough, I'll concede. Statement retracted regarding Floyd's holding in the Pacquiao fight.

I think the Lewis - Tyson conversation is more interesting. Heavyweights tend to do more holding on average wouldn't you say? There was one Lewis hold in particular in that fight (I think it was in the 2nd but would need to watch again as it's been a while) which was completely unnecessary and the crowd even booed briefly.

Lewis and Tyson were always gong to hold. Lewis holds a lot, so does Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson held A LOT in all of his fights especially if you can get out the first round.

Lewis wanted to get out of that first round, so he was holding quite a lot. (12 times in the first round as previously said), small boo's began at around the 10th one or something like that.

Wasn't going to be long until Tyson ran out of gass, he was done by then. But Lewis wasn't taking any chances. Holyfield did the exact same vs Tyson in 1997. But you're right the Heavyweight do tend to hold more, Muhammad Ali, the greatest, being a shining example of that. His holding was very excessive at times as was his moving which many would consider "running".

[djtmal]

Right but I'm asking when do you think Floyd should have been warned?

In the dressing room before the fight he should have been advised that points would be taken away for blatant and excessive holding

[IronDanHamza]

In the dressing room before the fight he should have been advised that points would be taken away for blatant and excessive holding

So at what point in the fight should there have been a warning?

[djtmal]

So at what point in the fight should there have been a warning?

When he held onto Manny for dear life

Or how about when he landed on top of his back

Or how about when he lept off the ropes to hold not throw a punch

You seem to think that because he only held 21 times by your stats that he wasn't excessive or blatant

[IronDanHamza]

When he held onto Manny for dear life

Or how about when he landed on top of his back

Or how about when he lept off the ropes to hold not throw a punch

You seem to think that because he only held 21 times by your stats that he wasn't excessive or blatant

None of these things you have described happened.

If so, time stamp them in the fight when they did.

[djtmal]

None of these things you have described happened.

Yes they absolutely did

We already know you will not acknowledge it because you hold onto Floyds nuts

[IronDanHamza]

Yes they absolutely did

We already know you will not acknowledge it because you hold onto Floyds nuts

So time stamp them then.

[djtmal]

So time stamp them then.

Lol. I am not going through all of that

Fight is on YouTube go see for yourself I did