Comments Thread For: Stephen Fulton believes victory over O?Shaquie Foster will land him a Hall of Fame spot

[IronDanHamza]

Correct, he was not.



Correct, he was not.



Correct, he was not.

Nor were the multitude of WBO heavyweight belt holders during this period. Holyfield didn't even want it on the line for his third encounter with Bowe because he was concerned it would jeopardise his ranking with the Big Three.

That's interesting and a brand new take that I've never seen before.

Fair enough if that's your position.

[IronDanHamza]

Like I said, they weren't considered legitimate in real time.

Ok so we've established you don't think Moorer was Champion at LHW and Eubank and Collins were ever world champion at all. That's fair and fine.

It's neither here nor there anyway because;

Ricky Burns
Adrien Broner
Fernando Montiel
Leo Gamez
John Riel Casemiro

Are all 3+ weight world champions and none of them are ever seeing the hall of fame and probably not even the ballot.

[famicommander]

Ok so we've established you don't think Moorer was Champion at LHW and Eubank and Collins were ever world champion at all. That's fair and fine.

It's neither here nor there anyway because;

Ricky Burns
Adrien Broner
Fernando Montiel
Leo Gamez
John Riel Casemiro

Are all 3+ weight world champions and none of them are ever seeing the hall of fame and probably not even the ballot.

If Vinny Paz, Barry McGuigan, and Arturo Gatti can get in, Burns and Montiel at least have a chance. Whether they deserve it or not, the bar isn't that high. It's one step above the Basketball Hall of Fame (if you don't follow, it's notorious for being the easiest HOF to get into among the major North American sports0.

[IronDanHamza]

If Vinny Paz, Barry McGuigan, and Arturo Gatti can get in, Burns and Montiel at least have a chance. Whether they deserve it or not, the bar isn't that high. It's one step above the Basketball Hall of Fame (if you don't follow, it's notorious for being the easiest HOF to get into among the major North American sports0.

I've already explained to you before why that's a dumb, non argument. There are a plethora of fighters with better resumes than those three. Dillian Whyte has a better resume than those three. Has he got a chance? Devon Alexander has a better resume than those three, does he have a chance? No and no are the answers.

Those three are in the HOF because they were famous and had cult like fan bases. Arturto Gatti was on the front cover of games, Vinny Pazienza has had films made about him and Barry McGuigan had a country that were at war with each other internally come together for his fights. That's why they're in and they are exceptions to the rule.

Ricky Burns has 0% chance. He worked at Sports Direct for most of his boxing career on weekends. There is almost as little chance he ever get's on the ballot.

Montiel, the same.

[famicommander]

I've already explained to you before why that's a dumb, non argument. There are a plethora of fighters with better resumes than those three. Dillian Whyte has a better resume than those three. Has he got a chance? Devon Alexander has a better resume than those three, does he have a chance? No and no are the answers.

Those three are in the HOF because they were famous and had cult like fan bases. Arturto Gatti was on the front cover of games, Vinny Pazienza has had films made about him and Barry McGuigan had a country that were at war with each other internally come together for his fights. That's why they're in and they are exceptions to the rule.

Ricky Burns has 0% chance. He worked at Sports Direct for most of his boxing career on weekends. There is almost as little chance he ever get's on the ballot.

Montiel, the same.

Dillian Whyte does not have a better resume than either one of Burns or Montiel. That's absolutely ridiculous.

Whyte never won a major title and popped for PEDs a handful of times. Burns won 3 world titles in 3 divisions and made 8 total defenses while Montiel won 5 major belts in 3 divisions and made 13 total defenses. Montiel beat 8 other world title winners (not counting Regular or interim).

[IronDanHamza]

Dillian Whyte does not have a better resume than either one of Burns or Montiel. That's absolutely ridiculous.



Whyte never won a major title and popped for PEDs a handful of times. Burns won 3 world titles in 3 divisions and made 8 total defenses while Montiel won 5 major belts in 3 divisions and made 13 total defenses. Montiel beat 8 other world title winners (not counting Regular or interim).

When you read the words "those three" what would make you think it was referring to the list of two fighters as opposed to the list of three fighters?

[famicommander]

When you read the words "those three" what would make you think it was referring to the list of two fighters as opposed to the list of three fighters?

Doesn't matter, Whyte doesn't have a better resume than a single name on that list. His best win was awarded to him on an intentional headbutt knockdown and he never once held a legitimate title or championship. He has more positive PED tests than big wins in his career.

[IronDanHamza]

Doesn't matter, Whyte doesn't have a better resume than a single name on that list. His best win was awarded to him on an intentional headbutt knockdown and he never once held a legitimate title or championship. He has more positive PED tests than big wins in his career.

Dillian Whyte doesn't have a better resume than Barry McGuigan? Really? I'm aware you started following boxing yesterday but let's not do this stupidity game.

It's besides the point anyway, I could spend a day naming fighters who will never see the Ballot who have better resumes than all three of those fighters, hence why your argument of "they are in therefore fighter A could get in" is dumb, and not an argument. They are only in the HOF, as I've just stated, because all three of them had cult like fanbases and were extremely popular. They are exceptions, not the rule.

Ricky Burns will never see the HOF. Simple.

[famicommander]

Dillian Whyte doesn't have a better resume than Barry McGuigan? Really? I'm aware you started following boxing yesterday but let's not do this stupidity game.

McGuigan was the lineal champion of a division. Whyte was never the champion of anything. This isn't even a question.

Winning something versus winning nothing and cheating while you do it? Come on. Just the win over Pedroza craps all over Whyte's entire career.

[IronDanHamza]

McGuigan was the lineal champion of a division. Whyte was never the champion of anything. This isn't even a question.

Winning something versus winning nothing and cheating while you do it? Come on. Just the win over Pedroza craps all over Whyte's entire career.

Er, no, it doesn't.

Carlos Baldomir was Lineal Champion and has a win over Zab Judah. Are you going to tell me that his resume is better than Dillain Whyte's as well?

Barry McGuigan's resume is garbage. He has one good win and his resume is not better than Dillian Whyte's. The fact he was "Lineal" champion is irrelevant.

Again though still besides the point. That's just one example, there are endless others that could be used that also will never see the HOF ballot.

Hence why, your argument is dumb.