Terence Crawford is one of the greatest of all time.

[IronDanHamza]

How was it in the stadium? Not a fan of stadium fights myself.

I think Crawford is around Top 30 or so after his win.

[The D3vil]

It's so good to have you on the right side of the street with us

Us Bud fans have had to endure years of The Haymonites & Canelophiles talking shxt about us.

[Willy Wanker]

Yup, also the best fighter in the post May-Pac era.

[GhostofDempsey]

You know this is something I always hear about fighters, but I think we have to look at the nuances with situations like these and not just count pro fight totals. What I mean by that, is how much more wear and tear did Canelo (in this instance, but this argument can be made for any fighter) take in his extra pro fights?

For example, in his 30th professional fight, Canelo got a 1st rd KO victory over Carlos Leandro Herrera, earning him the WBC youth welter weight title. Crawford's 30th pro fight was his KO win over John Molina as he defended his unified JWW title (actual recognized champion) he unified one fight earlier against Postol.

I write this just to ask how much extra wear and tear was it for a fighter who had a very busy schedule on the way up against guys he was basically KOing early on?

I agree that context needs to be examined when looking at longer careers/more fights or mileage on a fighter. Canelo's three fights with GGG were not on the level of Hagler/Hearns, but they did trade some bombs. Taking Golovkin's best punches for 36 rounds can take it's toll. Moving up to take best punches of Kovalev and Bivol, a give and take distance fight with Cotto, toss in Mosley, Kirkland, Jacobs, Munguia and Berlanga and he was in there with some good hitters. Granted some were past prime or not in his league but still had good power. Sometimes having a great chin can be a detriment. Bud's style and often being the bigger man in the ring means he didn't take as much wear and tear. Canelo appeared to age overnight despite having a good training camp. All credit still goes to Crawford for a very solid victory, but there is more than what we see on the surface.

I draw the same comparison to Floyd/Manny. While Floyd was older by two years, Manny had 17 more fights than Floyd. Those 17 fights included wars with Barrera, Morales, JMM, Cotto, Margarito, Rios, all guys who can b@ng. He had been KO'd 3x in his career prior to Floyd. Measure that against Floyd who was again usually the bigger man, fought a very defensive and careful style, didn't get into very many exchanges and he was far more preserved and youthful and fresh despite having two years on Manny. In essence, Manny was the "older" fighter.

[SouthpawRight]

I agree that context needs to be examined when looking at longer careers/more fights or mileage on a fighter. Canelo's three fights with GGG were not on the level of Hagler/Hearns, but they did trade some bombs. Taking Golovkin's best punches for 36 rounds can take it's toll. Moving up to take best punches of Kovalev and Bivol, a give and take distance fight with Cotto, toss in Mosley, Kirkland, Jacobs, Munguia and Berlanga and he was in there with some good hitters. Granted some were past prime or not in his league but still had good power. Sometimes having a great chin can be a detriment. Bud's style and often being the bigger man in the ring means he didn't take as much wear and tear. Canelo appeared to age overnight despite having a good training camp. All credit still goes to Crawford for a very solid victory, but there is more than what we see on the surface.

I draw the same comparison to Floyd/Manny. While Floyd was older by two years, Manny had 17 more fights than Floyd. Those 17 fights included wars with Barrera, Morales, JMM, Cotto, Margarito, Rios, all guys who can b@ng. He had been KO'd 3x in his career prior to Floyd. Measure that against Floyd who was again usually the bigger man, fought a very defensive and careful style, didn't get into very many exchanges and he was far more preserved and youthful and fresh despite having two years on Manny. In essence, Manny was the "older" fighter.

But was he

46 year old manny looked better against Mario

than 40 year old Floyd did against a mma fighter

[TintaBoricua]

I think that was intentional?

TBud came out with a mexican musical instrument to troll Saul

Same as Floyd wearing the taco hat for the Oscar fight

No, you misunderstand me. I watched the fight live. He came out with the song used in “Desperado”. It no longer plays that during his ring walk when you watch the ring walk on Netflix. They muted it and slapped on some generic music on it. It doesn’t hit the same.

On topic: Bud is THAT DUDE.

All those years Tim Bradley telling people that Bud was on another level have paid off. lol

[TintaBoricua]

But was he

46 year old manny looked better against Mario

than 40 year old Floyd did against a mma fighter

I completely disagree on that, by the way. They were both clearly past it but Pacquiao is fortunate that was Barrios. He looked slightly better than what we expected…but nowhere near in shape or as sharp as Floyd was even when he was detached from the sport fighting McGregor.

[SouthpawRight]

No, you misunderstand me. I watched the fight live. He came out with the song used in “Desperado”. It no longer plays that during his ring walk when you watch the ring walk on Netflix. They muted it and slapped on some generic music on it. It doesn’t hit the same.

On topic: Bud is THAT DUDE.

All those years Tim Bradley telling people that Bud was on another level have paid off. lol

good thing for TBud Saul was there live and heard TBud walking out to burrito music

Timmeh went as far as saying TBud would stop Saul. Saul's legs wanted to fold in the final 10 seconds of the fight from a counter southpaw sweeping left

in the 15 round days Saul would have been ko'd

I completely disagree on that, by the way. They were both clearly past it but Pacquiao is fortunate that was Barrios. He looked slightly better than what we expected…but nowhere near in shape or as sharp as Floyd was even when he was detached from the sport fighting McGregor.

damn even as old men Floyd fights the better opponents than manny

Mario how you let a mma be a better boxer than you

[TheProudLunatic]

How will history remember Spence ?
Will he even be a HOFer

"Beating Nelo once is worth 20 quality names !"

[SouthpawRight]

How will history remember Spence ?
Will he even be a HOFer

"Beating Nelo once is worth 20 quality names !"

TBud 9-3 Saul the best win of any active boxer today