Why is Canelo considered GREAT?

[WillieWild114]

Canelo vs fighters that won a major world title at some point in their careers (not counting secondary/interim):
W vs Miguel Vazquez SD 4
W vs Miguel Vazquez UD 10
W vs Carlos Baldomir KO 6
W vs Lovemore N'dou UD 12
W vs Kermit Cintron TKO 5
W vs Shane Mosley UD 12
L vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. MD 12
W vs Erislandy Lara SD 12
W vs Miguel Cotto UD 12
W vs Amir Khan KO 6
W vs Liam Smith KO 9
W vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. UD 12
D vs Gennadiy Golovkin SD 12 (robbery, GGG whooped his ass)
W vs Gennadiy Golovkin MD 12 (another robbery, GGG whooped his ass again)
W vs Danny Jacobs UD 12
W vs Sergey Kovalev KO 11
W vs Callum Smith UD 12
W vs Billy Joe Saunders RTD 8
W vs Caleb Plant TKO 11
L vs Dmitry Bivol UD 12
W vs Gennadiy Golovkin UD 12
W vs Jermell Charlo UD 12
W vs Jamie Munguia UD 12
W vs William Scull UD 12
L vs Terence Crawford UD 12

Other notable wins: Austin Trout, John Ryder, Josesito Lopez, Edgar Berlanga, Matthew Hatton, Avni Yildirim, Rocky Fielding, Alfredo Angulo, James Kirkland

Even with the two GGG robberies, it's not hard to understand why Canelo was well regarded. He became risk-averse after the Bivol loss but that doesn't change what happened before that.

Titles won
154: Ring, WBC
160: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF
168: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
175: WBO

Who is a great on that list ?

[Joseph]

You guys are finally seeing what I have seen. Awesome!

Dude, I've always felt this way about Canelo. When he's good, I'll give him his props. When he's awful or does something shady, I will call his ass out.

He's a love him or hate him fighter. I've always been that rare neutral.

[garfios]

Who have Canelo beat in their prime that was GREAT ? People say GGG but who did GGG beat in their prime who wad great ?

First, GGG wasn't in his prime. And who considers canelo great? Because he hasn't beaten great opponents to call him great,

[garfios]

Who is a great on that list ?

Not only great, who was in his prime?

[QueensburyRules]

Canelo vs fighters that won a major world title at some point in their careers (not counting secondary/interim):
W vs Miguel Vazquez SD 4
W vs Miguel Vazquez UD 10
W vs Carlos Baldomir KO 6
W vs Lovemore N'dou UD 12
W vs Kermit Cintron TKO 5
W vs Shane Mosley UD 12
L vs Floyd Mayweather Jr. MD 12
W vs Erislandy Lara SD 12
W vs Miguel Cotto UD 12
W vs Amir Khan KO 6
W vs Liam Smith KO 9
W vs Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. UD 12
D vs Gennadiy Golovkin SD 12 (robbery, GGG whooped his ass)
W vs Gennadiy Golovkin MD 12 (another robbery, GGG whooped his ass again)
W vs Danny Jacobs UD 12
W vs Sergey Kovalev KO 11
W vs Callum Smith UD 12
W vs Billy Joe Saunders RTD 8
W vs Caleb Plant TKO 11
L vs Dmitry Bivol UD 12
W vs Gennadiy Golovkin UD 12
W vs Jermell Charlo UD 12
W vs Jamie Munguia UD 12
W vs William Scull UD 12
L vs Terence Crawford UD 12

Other notable wins: Austin Trout, John Ryder, Josesito Lopez, Edgar Berlanga, Matthew Hatton, Avni Yildirim, Rocky Fielding, Alfredo Angulo, James Kirkland

Even with the two GGG robberies, it's not hard to understand why Canelo was well regarded. He became risk-averse after the Bivol loss but that doesn't change what happened before that.

Titles won
154: Ring, WBC
160: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF
168: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
175: WBO

- - There were never any GGG robberies. The first fight a draw that I had Canelo by 1 point, so glad I score fights the way I do to be so close.

2nd fight Canelo took Ring Center and knocked GGG out of it anytime he ventured in for 10 rounds. For 11 and 12 walking backwards, Canelo kept GGG walking into counters.

Third fight was a retirement benefit for GGG who was most greatful...yer welcome...

[GhostofDempsey]

I would argue he didn't beat GGG in his prime. Golovkin was robbed in first two fights and washed up for the rubber match. Canelo made him wait until he aged out.

Canelo's knockouts, chin, and loyal fanbase made him appear greater than he was. I can't say he's not a great fighter but I also don't know how much the PEDs helped him along in his career. The tainted beef excuse is weak. If we consider he got gifts 2x vs GGG, vs Lara, and barely sc****d by a game Cotto, what's left? He ducked Benavidez and Zurdo. To his credit he was ducked by Charlo.

[GhostofDempsey]

I would argue he didn't beat GGG in his prime. Golovkin was robbed in first two fights and washed up for the rubber match. Canelo made him wait until he aged out.

Canelo's knockouts, chin, and loyal fanbase made him appear greater than he was. I can't say he's not a great fighter but I also don't know how much the PEDs helped him along in his career. The tainted beef excuse is weak. If we consider he got gifts 2x vs GGG, vs Lara, and barely sc****d by a game Cotto, what's left? He ducked Benavidez and Zurdo. To his credit he was ducked by Charlo.

[DeeMoney]

This is one of those semantics things that always seems to happen here. Where is the line between ATG, Great, Very Good, Awesome, Legend, ETC? We all seem to use these terms without defining the bands that fit within them.

I feel if you watched Canelo fight, then you could easily tell he was a top P4P fighter in the world during his prime (possibly the top for a period in the late 10s). He is a worthy HOFer no doubt, and thats regardless of the fanfare around him.

For those who just look at resume, well that becomes tricky, all his wins against future HOFers, or those most consider to be great, took place when those fighters were past their primes. But they were still quality wins. Not to mention he beat a lot of real good fighters throughout his career.

In all the history of professional boxing, I think he makes everyones top 100 list, if that doesnt make you great, well then I guess we need to better define where the line of greatness is.

[GhostofDempsey]

I would argue he didn't beat GGG in his prime. Golovkin was robbed in first two fights and washed up for the rubber match. Canelo made him wait until he aged out.

Canelo's knockouts, chin, and loyal fanbase made him appear greater than he was. I can't say he's not a great fighter but I also don't know how much the PEDs helped him along in his career. The tainted beef excuse is weak. If we consider he got gifts 2x vs GGG, vs Lara, and barely sc****d by a game Cotto, what's left? He ducked Benavidez and Zurdo. To his credit he was ducked by Charlo.

[DeeMoney]

Editing this because something is wrong on the site where it is double and triple posting posts