Is Crawford right about Manny Pacquiao being overrated?

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  • HisExcellency
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    #51
    Originally posted by The Big Dunn

    I agree with you about Spence. But He didn’t fight Spence dude. Why are you giving so much credit signing and not fighting him?

    That fell through and then he avoided Spence. Can you just tell me why?

    Lmfao. He made him an offer for the most money he would’ve made up to that point and 42% more than the $28 mil he got with the bulk of the PPV against JMM, yet you say it was meant to be declined.

    You make excuses for Manny avoiding fights. Pathetic.
    Lol because Spence pulled out of the fight 11 days prior with an eye injury so Pacquiao was forced to fight Ugas instead and lost. Spence then defeated Ugas and fought Crawford immediately after.

    You're missing the point...if I offered you $40m (without PPV) to fight me today but you knew that a fight of this magnitude could net you TRIPLE (and did) with PPV would you accept my offer?

    THE BIG DUNCE it is!
    Last edited by HisExcellency; 09-15-2025, 11:02 AM.

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    • The Big Dunn
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      #52
      Originally posted by HisExcellency

      Lol because Spence pulled out of the fight 11 days prior with an eye injury so Pacquiao was forced to fight Ugas instead and lost. Spence then defeated Ugas and fought Crawford immediately after.

      You're missing the point...if I offered you $40m (without PPV) to fight me today but you knew that a fight of this magnitude could net you TRIPLE (and did) with PPV would you accept my offer?

      THE BIG DUNCE it is!
      Ok so why are you giving him credit when he didn’t fight Spence?

      You still haven’t answered why Manny avoided Crawford ?

      Manny didn’t know the fight would triple in offer so stop using hindsight to justify his cowardly ducking.

      Talk about Dunce- he took 42% less than that $40 mil
      to get ktfo by JMM.

      How about you stop the excuse making.

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      • HisExcellency
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        #53
        Originally posted by The Big Dunn

        Ok so why are you giving him credit when he didn’t fight Spence?

        You still haven’t answered why Manny avoided Crawford ?

        Manny didn’t know the fight would triple in offer so stop using hindsight to justify his cowardly ducking.

        Talk about Dunce- he took 42% less than that $40 mil
        to get ktfo by JMM.

        How about you stop the excuse making.
        Firstly, what EVIDENCE do you have that Manny ducked Crawford? Either list it or STFU.

        Secondly, I didn't give him credit for Spence...I'm just giving you a reason as to why the Crawford fight might've fallen through. Spence was the DOMINANT champion back then having held 3 world titles so obviously Pacquiao was chasing the bigger challenge.

        Lol don't you think Pacquiao's promoter and business advisor's would've told him to reject Floyd's $40m (no PPV) offer as they were aware how much a fight of this magnitude was worth? It's called business forecasting (not hindsight) and obviously they were correct.

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        • Nash out
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          #54
          Pacquiao is very overrated. He is also very underrated. No doubt about it, he is overrated and also underrated. Nash out - His Majesty

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          • Gary Coleman
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            #55
            Originally posted by satiev1

            lmao. Sounds like mayweather
            Mayweather fought guys coming off suspect performances?

            Aside from Zab, who?

            Bud has no room to talk about ANYBODY's resume as far as opposition goes.

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              #56
              Originally posted by HisExcellency

              Firstly, what EVIDENCE do you have that Manny ducked Crawford? Either list it or STFU.

              Secondly, I didn't give him credit for Spence...I'm just giving you a reason as to why the Crawford fight might've fallen through. Spence was the DOMINANT champion back then having held 3 world titles so obviously Pacquiao was chasing the bigger challenge.

              Lol don't you think Pacquiao's promoter and business advisor's would've told him to reject Floyd's $40m (no PPV) offer as they were aware how much a fight of this magnitude was worth? It's called business forecasting (not hindsight) and obviously they were correct.
              The fact Crawford begged for the fight and never got it.

              Ok but I asked about after it fell through. So you deflecting back to that is BS.

              if you want to fight and you get offered the most amount of money you ever got, if you don’t take it that is avoiding the challenge.

              Your have a point except for the fact Bob wasn’t with him anymore when he finally took the fight.

              You are defending a duck because you like Manny. Very weak.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Nash out
                Pacquiao is very overrated. He is also very underrated. No doubt about it, he is overrated and also underrated. Nash out - His Majesty
                this is a good summary of manny

                manny overachieved approaching the bottom end of the top 10 all time given his skillset

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Da Pimper
                  Crawford has said he doesn’t have Pacquiao in his list of greatest boxers. Says he’s overrated and insinuates he cheated. People say he’s hating but does he have a point?

                  Main problems with Pacquiao’s career:
                  1. Multiple catchweight fights
                  2. Biggest name win (Oscar) was severely weight-drained
                  3. Arguably lost to Marquez all 4 times and got 3 gifts
                  4. Refused blood-testing demands during years of his prime
                  5. Never undisputed
                  6. Lost to a school teacher

                  As for the 8-division thing:
                  1. There was no title on the line vs Barrera. Barrera wasn’t lineal. Pac was awarded the Ring belt afterwards.
                  2. Also no belt on the line vs Hatton at 140, it was for the Ring title. The Ring is just a magazine. And many say Hatton also wasn’t lineal because he moved up to 147 and lost.
                  3. Fought Margarito for the 154 belt at 150 catchweight

                  Again the Ring is a magazine they don’t own lineal and they are not an official sanctioning body.

                  So more like 5 divisions.

                  Is Crawford right about Pacquiao being overrated?
                  You fools don’t see it. Pacquiao is a boxing icon — the only 8-division world champion, admired across all sports. He proves skills make fights, taking on bigger, longer opponents while being the smaller man — and still the aggressor. Imagine that: the undersized guy pushing the fight. Floyd fans cry PEDs, yet Pacquiao never failed a drug test. He fought outside his country, against biased commentators, judges, refs, and even a snake promoter. At 46, he’s still beating prime young champs, and even at 75%, he’s a problem. Fight fans gave Floyd the chance to surpass Pacquiao, but instead he showcased his running, hugging, and low-blows, even with the size advantage. Floyd is great, no doubt — but some of his fans? Straight-up crackheads.
                  Last edited by Memebox; 09-15-2025, 06:31 PM.

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                  • RadChang
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Memebox

                    You fools don’t see it. Pacquiao is a boxing icon — the only 8-division world champion, admired across all sports. He proves skills make fights, taking on bigger, longer opponents while being the smaller man — and still the aggressor. Imagine that: the undersized guy pushing the fight. Floyd fans cry PEDs, yet Pacquiao never failed a drug test. He fought outside his country, against biased commentators, judges, refs, and even a snake promoter. At 46, he’s still beating prime young champs, and even at 75%, he’s a problem. Fight fans gave Floyd the chance to surpass Pacquiao, but instead he showcased his running, hugging, and low-blows, even with the size advantage. Floyd is great, no doubt — but some of his fans? Straight-up crackheads.
                    All I see is your face buried deep in Pacquiao’s nuts lol stop talking like a pacroid clown fanboy fool.

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                    • HisExcellency
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by The Big Dunn

                      The fact Crawford begged for the fight and never got it.

                      Ok but I asked about after it fell through. So you deflecting back to that is BS.

                      if you want to fight and you get offered the most amount of money you ever got, if you don’t take it that is avoiding the challenge.

                      Your have a point except for the fact Bob wasn’t with him anymore when he finally took the fight.

                      You are defending a duck because you like Manny. Very weak.
                      Bro are you DENSE or something? Spence pulled out of the Pacquiao fight 10 days prior so 42yo Pacman was forced to fight Ugas instead and lost. Spence then beat Ugas and unified with Crawford immediately after. Therefore, what was Pacquiao supposed to do? Tell me.

                      Re Crawford, just because he begged for the fight and never received it DOESN'T mean Pacquiao ducked him. After all, it has to make financial sense and Arum is on record as saying that he always lost money on Crawford. Therefore, the fight probably didn't materialise because it didn't make FINANCIAL sense plus Pacquiao had already signed to fight Spence.

                      No dummy...if Pacquiao had accepted $40m from Floyd back then he would've MISSED out on $80m a few years later. Also, you can't overlook the fact that Arum & his business advisor's would've been aware of this fact and rejected Floyd's offer on his behalf. Also, Top Rank PROMOTED Pacquiao for the Mayweather fight so you're wrong again!

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